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  • Stifler's Mom
    Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 8541

    ***Week 4 Discussion***

    Just thought i'd get this started.

    Just glanced over the card and a few things stuck out immediately.

    The Bungles are a bad team once again who has done absolutely nothing to earn the respect they are getting, and now they're a road fave for the second straight week? I think they lose outright, possibly in a bad way. Palmer has looked erratic and awful throwing almost as many passes to the opponent as to his own receivers, and OchoZero is imo one of the worst receivers in the league. When was the last time he made a big play, or had a 12 catch/150 yard day? Yet he keeps getting respect like he's some sort of star? Whatever....just keep making the Bungles road faves, please....

    Seattle is also a road fave? That's pretty much an auto-fade since I can remember, and I see no reason for that to not continue here, especially considering they've been outplayed every week but have been fortunate enough to win twice due to special teams scores and opponent's mistakes.

    It's also normally a good idea to fade a team who is a home fave that won outright the previous week as a road dog. One would be Tennessee this week, who won at NYG, despite having the ball moved all over them pretty much at will, only for Peyton's little brother to have like 4 picks in the red zone and whatever else the NYG did to blow that game. And it seems their holes in the secondary play right into Denver's strengths with the talented WR corps they have. An outright Denver win wouldn't shock me there.

    Atlanta, another team who won outright as a road dog last week and is now a home fave, might be due for a letdown this week, as beating the Saints had to rank up there pretty high on their "to do" list for this season if they want to win the division...while SF has no choice but to play a strong game....not only for their season, but also for their jobs. Singletary isn't going to accept losing and half assed efforts and I think the players are going to get the message after the changes he's already made, and come alive this week and play up to their potential, winning outright. Reminds me a little of Dallas/Houston last week where Dallas was in a similar spot and so was Houston and Houston came out flat as a pancake and continued to lay eggs all afternoon.

    Other than Cincinnati, the other Joe Public specials will be (imo) Indy, NYJ and NE.

    I think Indy will probably find a way to win outright like they usually do against bad teams on the road, but that the game will probably be closer than most are thinking after the 28-3 whoopin the Jags took from Philly last week, and that Jax should have every chance to cover whatever the number climbs to by Sunday. It opened at Indy -7, which also leads me to believe the oddsmakers agree on the Jags chances to be competitive cause they could have easily thrown up a -9 for Indy and still gotten really lopsided public money on them.

    NE laying just -1 on MNF shows that the oddsmakers aren't sold on them, and really, what have they done this season for them to be? Beating a massively overrated Bungles team in their home opener, getting handled by the Jets, and then winning a shootout at home against the no offense Bills isn't exactly championship caliber football, and I think Miami should be able to exploit their weak defense just like Buffalo did, and with a few stops on defense, should win half comfortably just like the Jets did against them 2 weeks ago, as NE was a poor road team all last year and there's no evidence of that changing this year.

    I also think Pittsburgh is due to let down this week and will probably lose, even if it is a divisional game and rivalry. After 2 straight road wins, they come home and can only muster a -1 fave line against Baltimore? Looks like the oddsmakers aren't as sold on them as Joe Public is. Why is beating TB such a huge deal anyway? Granted, I agree the Steelers D has looked great, but, they haven't really faced a team (other than Atlanta in their home opener) that could really exploit it yet either, which Baltimore **should** be able to do. Doing so and getting a lead will put Batch/Steelers O in a different situation than they were in last week, not having the luxury of playing from way ahead against an inferior team, and they might be able to be forced into some game changing mistakes by what can still imo be considered an opportunistic type defense that is looking to confuse opposing offenses and create turnovers, and might have some success against a guy who has barely seen any playing time in the last 4 years or so. Huge game for the Raisins too, as they can't drop to 2-2 with the Steelers going to 4-0 with Ben returning, and they bring more intensity and in the end, win it outright, imo.

    Can anyone give me a reason why Washington keeps is close @ Philly other than that McNugget is going to be returning and wanting to prove himself? -6.5 for a home team the public is now all of a sudden in love with is the old "hey, i'll gladly lay under a TD" line with the public thinking they are laying under a td for a red hot Eagles team to beat a team who just lost to the freakin Rams, and normally suggests an outright road dog win. I'm still not sold on Vick being this superhuman QB all of a sudden either just because he could put up numbers on Detroit and Jacksonville. Then again, I'm really not sold on Washington as much other than a 7-9 type team either.....

    Curious as to what the rest of you have to add, but I had a little time this morning (for a CHANGE) and figured i'd share my initial thoughts on this week's games
    Last edited by Stifler's Mom; 09-28-2010, 08:08 AM.
  • Underdog88
    I drink your milkshake!!!
    • Mar 2007
    • 13981

    #2
    Some great thoughts there Stif.....



    Bengals- agree that they are overrated, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Palmer is really looking to be another overhyped product of the west coast. Totally baffled as to why they would change their MO from the pound the run team they were last season. Carson has no need to throw 35+ every week. My concern is that they are playing the Browns, who always seem to find ways to lose. That being said, the Browns have played some tough competition pretty closely these past 3 games, so maybe it translates into a win this week? Hillis ran all over the Ravens last week....



    Seahawks/Rams- Seattle is a team that right now is a fade or no play on the road for me. Can't back a team as a road fave that can't stop the pass. Looking like Steven Jackson's injury isn't as bad as first thought. Seattle is solid against the run, but I think this could be a breakout game for Bradford- look at the numbers posted against this Seattle pass defense. Last season seattle's points allowed in road games

    48, 34, *17*, 35, 31, 38, 34, 23.

    The one game they didn't allow 23+ was @the Rams. I think the Rams offense has improved dramatically, Bradford----> Amendola could be a nice matchup. Not sure what to expect from the Rams defense, but I am leaning Rams team total over, should be 19.5-20.
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    • Underdog88
      I drink your milkshake!!!
      • Mar 2007
      • 13981

      #3
      Colts@Jaguars

      First thought was I can't possible play on them ats vs Indy the way they have performed. Garrard has no wr to throw to, so Mercedes gets doubled or they stack the box. I watched the game and he was worse than the numbers even show. despite losing badly last week they still rushed decent. Jax pass d was terrible vs the Eagles, Manning will light them up. Jones-Drew probably breaks out though, and it's a pretty good situational spot for Jax. Off a terrible home loss, Indy off a decisive road win has to skew the number on perception alone. b2b road game for them. I was a bit confused by the Broncos playcalling vs the Colts, and they just couldn't close the deal in the redzone- 0-5. Someone tell me why did they run the ball just 18 times? Houston threw the ball just 17 times and ran 42 times, and Arian ran for 231 and 3 tds. Yes the Colts have to respect the pass game much more when facing the Texans, but the fact remains they can't stop a good run game. Denver allowed 132 on the ground to Jax. One interesting thing is last season @Jax was similar. Jaguars were off a home loss where they couldn't score, and they have a good old fashioned shootout. Only shot this time around for Jax imo is fully committing to running 40+ carries. I think this is a high total that won't be high enough. Fully intend on playing 1sth & gm over. Would much prefer team total overs on both sides to a spread play. I think there are tds scored in this one.
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      • Underdog88
        I drink your milkshake!!!
        • Mar 2007
        • 13981

        #4
        Originally posted by Stifler's Mom
        NE laying just -1 on MNF shows that the oddsmakers aren't sold on them, and really, what have they done this season for them to be? Beating a massively overrated Bungles team in their home opener, getting handled by the Jets, and then winning a shootout at home against the no offense Bills isn't exactly championship caliber football, and I think Miami should be able to exploit their weak defense just like Buffalo did, and with a few stops on defense, should win half comfortably just like the Jets did against them 2 weeks ago, as NE was a poor road team all last year and there's no evidence of that changing this year.

        Absolute great spot for Miami to whoop some ass. I said it from the start of the season... Patriots pass defense is god-awful. Seriously I think bottom 5 in the league. 374 total offense to Buffalo, 336 to the Jets and Cincy threw for 341 yards? I think Henne is the real deal, and he has weapons now. Bess should kill them- again a game where I would say over or nothing regarding the total. I'm on Miami most definitely, and will try to play an alternate line as well. As of right now I'll be on the Fins ml and Fins team total over.
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        • Underdog88
          I drink your milkshake!!!
          • Mar 2007
          • 13981

          #5
          Originally posted by Stifler's Mom
          I also think Pittsburgh is due to let down this week and will probably lose, even if it is a divisional game and rivalry. After 2 straight road wins, they come home and can only muster a -1 fave line against Baltimore? Looks like the oddsmakers aren't as sold on them as Joe Public is. Why is beating TB such a huge deal anyway? Granted, I agree the Steelers D has looked great, but, they haven't really faced a team (other than Atlanta in their home opener) that could really exploit it yet either, which Baltimore **should** be able to do. Doing so and getting a lead will put Batch/Steelers O in a different situation than they were in last week, not having the luxury of playing from way ahead against an inferior team, and they might be able to be forced into some game changing mistakes by what can still imo be considered an opportunistic type defense that is looking to confuse opposing offenses and create turnovers, and might have some success against a guy who has barely seen any playing time in the last 4 years or so. Huge game for the Raisins too, as they can't drop to 2-2 with the Steelers going to 4-0 with Ben returning, and they bring more intensity and in the end, win it outright, imo.
          Line is low but it's not like you can make it more than -2.5 with Batch in though I do think line SHOULD have been -2.5. Far and away the biggest reason why I couldn't back the Ravens here is that the Browns ran all over them. The Browns. I think the Steelers will go nuts. The Ravens have looked terrible in run blocking too. The Steelers allowed just 58 yds on 25 carries to the Falcons. Total imo to me is basically a bet on whether or not there will be a defensive td in the game.
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          • Underdog88
            I drink your milkshake!!!
            • Mar 2007
            • 13981

            #6
            One thing I am looking to do going forward is playing dog moneylines. Not sure why I balked at a couple last week, but I'm on the hunt this week going forward:thumbs:







            Originally posted by Stifler's Mom
            Can anyone give me a reason why Washington keeps is close @ Philly other than that McNugget is going to be returning and wanting to prove himself? -6.5 for a home team the public is now all of a sudden in love with is the old "hey, i'll gladly lay under a TD" line with the public thinking they are laying under a td for a red hot Eagles team to beat a team who just lost to the freakin Rams, and normally suggests an outright road dog win. I'm still not sold on Vick being this superhuman QB all of a sudden either just because he could put up numbers on Detroit and Jacksonville. Then again, I'm really not sold on Washington as much other than a 7-9 type team either.....
            Very interesting game here. The Eagles haven't beaten anyone. In fact, the way they lost to Detroit makes me think the D is suspect. Only motivation I see on their end is getting that first home win. At the same time they allowed Shaun HIll to throw for 335. McNabb had 426 passing vs Houston (another suspect/bad pass defense). I am not sold on Wash as anything other than a 7-9 team either, but they lost by 3 last season @Philly as a 3-13 team, won @philly the season before as an 8-8 team. I always look to play the dog/road team in NFC East matchups, and this is no exception.
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            • Underdog88
              I drink your milkshake!!!
              • Mar 2007
              • 13981

              #7
              just want to put this down kind of an initial lean post


              Dog ML plays that are on my radar



              Redskins ML

              Jaguars 1sth ML

              Bills ML

              Panthers 1sth ML

              Fins & Rams are basically pickems, I'm talking about +130 or more. Basically in that order as far as how much I like them. If there was ever a time for the Panthers run game to step up, it's this week. Despite losing by ten last season @NO, the Panthers led 17-6 at the half.....
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              • Stifler's Mom
                Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 8541

                #8
                Originally posted by Underdog88
                Line is low but it's not like you can make it more than -2.5 with Batch in though I do think line SHOULD have been -2.5. Far and away the biggest reason why I couldn't back the Ravens here is that the Browns ran all over them. The Browns. I think the Steelers will go nuts. The Ravens have looked terrible in run blocking too. The Steelers allowed just 58 yds on 25 carries to the Falcons. Total imo to me is basically a bet on whether or not there will be a defensive td in the game.
                On second thought, maybe you've got some good points there. I looked at it as the Steelers being over valued due to blowing out TB and now being 3-0 SU and ATS, but I guess maybe I jumped the gun in giving the Raisins more credit than they've really earned to this point in the year. Maybe waiting for a better time to jump on against PIT (if they continue to win/cover) rather than at home where they normally play well, and against a divisional foe, is a better plan.

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                • NittanyLions94
                  Resident PSU Supporter
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 2916

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Underdog88
                  Line is low but it's not like you can make it more than -2.5 with Batch in though I do think line SHOULD have been -2.5. Far and away the biggest reason why I couldn't back the Ravens here is that the Browns ran all over them. The Browns. I think the Steelers will go nuts. The Ravens have looked terrible in run blocking too. The Steelers allowed just 58 yds on 25 carries to the Falcons. Total imo to me is basically a bet on whether or not there will be a defensive td in the game.
                  Keep in mind Ray Rice doesn't sound like he's going to play this week, coupled with Flacco's putrid history against Pittsburgh where he has more INTs at Heinz Field than TDs to go with a 51% completion %. Flacco was a turnover machine in week 2, and if he doesn't hold on to the ball in this one, it could get away from him. I know I've backed Pittsburgh every week so far, but the lines have been almost hilariously bad in every game they've played. That defense should never start with 5.5 points against any one dimensional team that relies on the run. Catching points in their own stadium week 1 was pretty funny too.

                  Not sure how anyone can back the rat birds without Rice and after seeing a fullback go for 144 on them :conf:

                  I can guarantee you there is no let down in this one. There is hate, and then there are the feelings the Steelers and Ravens have for each other.
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                  Rams +1

                  Like the Rams this week. Not quite a West to East trip for Seattle, but West to Central time zone and a 1 PM start is pretty much the same. Only question here is if Steven Jacskson doesn't play then Bradford may press after his first big win. Could turn in to Alex Smith against them all over again. Tough call, but I don't think Seattle is very good this year. Week 1 SF handed them that game and then they went on the road and got trounced by a middle of the pack AFC team in Denver.

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                  Packers -14.5

                  Packers in a bounce back after dominating a game and losing it due to penalties. I wouldn't expect them to get in to the double digits of penalties again this week against a lesser DL. The only chink in the GB defense is their run D, and Detroit hasn't ran it successfully yet this year. Shaun Hill is a walking turnover, and with that secondary roaming I think he throws at least 2 picks and could give Aaron Rodgers some short fields. Cutler went for 362, Vick for 250+, I would expect Rodgers to go for something like 300+ and 3 scores.
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                  Falcons -6.5

                  I know this is probably the public play of the week, but firing your OC the week before you head in to one of the hottest teams stadiums' across country at 1 PM doesn't bode well. Since being shut down by the Steelers' D, Atlanta has gone for 200+ on the ground the past 2 weeks to go along with 200+ through the air. They can beat you either way and will take what the D is giving them. SF gave up 200+ on the ground to KC last week, and keeps a lower average because the first 2 teams they played may end up being 2 of the worst rushing offenses in the NFC when it's all said and done(NO and SEA).
                  Last edited by NittanyLions94; 09-28-2010, 02:30 PM.

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                  • rocjones
                    GEAUX TIGERS
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 269

                    #10
                    HMMMM

                    IM THE NEW GUY...:laughing: BUT BENGALS COVER...JETS COVER...AND CHICAGO BEATS NY GIANTS STRAIGHT OUT:thumbs:

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                    • Underdog88
                      I drink your milkshake!!!
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 13981

                      #11
                      Giants- whatever


                      49ers+7
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                      • NittanyLions94
                        Resident PSU Supporter
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 2916

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Underdog88
                        Giants- whatever


                        49ers+7
                        I'm interested to see what you like about the Niners this week. Looking at it on the surface, Atlanta is the hot team playing at home against a team that just fired its OC, 1 PM West-East(one of the trends I do follow because of the real factor of the players showing up to the stadium at what would be about 7 AM PST). Matt Ryan and that run game both look really efficient, Tony Gonzalez working the middle, and their D stepping up big in two of their contests. Maybe the best OL outside of TEN too.

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                        • Daws1089
                          Moderator
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 7811

                          #13
                          I am curious about ur thoughts on SF too. I know everyone is down on them perception wise and they need to come out and play better offensively, but I havehuge concerns with their defense. Not very good against the run thus far and no pass rush at all against atlantas offense does not sound like something I want to back. I do think SF will get to a point where they get more comfortable and win a few games in a row, but I don't think it starts quite yet. I'll be curious to see if and where that line moves to.

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                          • FlyersFan
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 12128

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Stifler's Mom
                            Just thought i'd get this started.

                            Just glanced over the card and a few things stuck out immediately.

                            The Bungles are a bad team once again who has done absolutely nothing to earn the respect they are getting, and now they're a road fave for the second straight week? I think they lose outright, possibly in a bad way. Palmer has looked erratic and awful throwing almost as many passes to the opponent as to his own receivers, and OchoZero is imo one of the worst receivers in the league. When was the last time he made a big play, or had a 12 catch/150 yard day? Yet he keeps getting respect like he's some sort of star? Whatever....just keep making the Bungles road faves, please....
                            good points and I agree with really almost all that stif, but they aren't a bad team......they aren't a great team either...probably an 8-8 team. They also have a tough schedule that will catch up with them in the end (Atlanta, New Orleans, Pitt x 2, San Diego late in the year when they are actually decent...all still left). And for Palmer.....Palmer hasn't been even average in the last 3-4 years. He can't throw downfield and i whole heartedly agree on OchoStinko.....Defense is a pretty good D (not great but good)...they will play a lot of Unders this year IMO. As for Sunday perfect spot to grab the Browns IMO. How in the world can you have been outscored by 8 points on the season and be 0-3...:dunno:....
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                            • Billy The Kid
                              Alpine Drive? Big Place!
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 469

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Stifler's Mom
                              NE laying just -1 on MNF shows that the oddsmakers aren't sold on them, and really, what have they done this season for them to be? Beating a massively overrated Bungles team in their home opener, getting handled by the Jets, and then winning a shootout at home against the no offense Bills isn't exactly championship caliber football, and I think Miami should be able to exploit their weak defense just like Buffalo did, and with a few stops on defense, should win half comfortably just like the Jets did against them 2 weeks ago, as NE was a poor road team all last year and there's no evidence of that changing this year.

                              Completely agree Stiff


                              Any thoughts on the Jets/Bills... I had this line @ NYJ -7.5 and was surprised to see it as low as -5. I know the Bills beat the Jets last year and lost in a close one but their offensive out burst last week was due to a poor New England defense, not a change at QB. While fitzy may be the better option I wonder how he will fair against the Jets D in only his second start of the year. Under looks like a better play to me than a side...Udog have any thoughts on your bills??

                              Raiders +3 was another line that jumped out. Houston was in a big let down spot last week against a Dallas team desperate for a win. Now off a home loss they are only laying 3 to the raiderettes in what should be a bounce back week? Bruce Grad. actually looked ok last week. I think the Oakland pass d can defenitley keep them around in the game, especially with a limited Andre Johnson
                              Last edited by Billy The Kid; 09-30-2010, 03:52 PM.
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