**Week 2 Discussion**

[GMoney]

Week 2 is hard because you only have one week to base your thoughts off of and it's hard to put any data together without valuing the first week too much.

This is a great point. However we all seemed to think we knew what we were doing heading into week 1 enough to lay the cash. The books got hammered on Sunday in Week 1, then turned around and gave it to the public on Monday night. I think the biggest thing to do, instead of looking at Week 1, look into what may have changed from one week ago...of the teams I've mentioned here:

Jets/Pats New England's D is garbage and now missing their best linebacker. They have no run game. Brady is Brady and can pick you apart which makes Overs look solid. The Jets were thought to be improved on Defense through coaching and acquisitions. Houston is not a bad offensive team - Schaub, Slaton, Johnson, Daniels are all guys you drafted in fantasy because they put up points. Belicheck going after Sanchez is a worry. Pretty sure NYJ can control the ground/short passing game.

Niners/Seahawks We knew Hasselbeck's receiving core was much improved and it showed, but they played the Lambs at home. Kind of like New Orleans D - can we really be so sure they are improved here? San Fran is a very underrated team with one of the best coaches when all is said and done, IMHO. They went into Arizona and shut down the Cards offensively and I have every reason to believe they can neutralize the Seahawk wr's if they completely shut down Fitz and Bolden. Offensively Hill has a pretty solid record as a starter, don't remember off the top of my head but he's well over .500.

Cards/Jags Jags hung with Indy as they usually do. Arizona is terrible. Lost at least one coordinator if not both I can't remember. Warner is old and coming off surgery. Hightower catching dumpoffs was about all they showed me vs. the niners. Fitz and Bolden are scary. They went 0-4 in preseason and i know that really don't mean jack but this is one road team the public loves that I just don't understand. I think they're extremely overvalued here and west coast teams struggle with the early starts.

Giants/Cowboys Giants came in flying under the radar, but with Uminyura back on D they looked pretty good. Love that D line with him and Tuck. Their no name recieving core is not bad with the big Manningham and the smaller quicker Smith. Boss is a capable tight end and the backfield duo of Jacobs and Bradshaw is very good. Cowboys lit up Tampa in Tampa. Is that D anything of what it used to be? The fact they let a Leftwich led offense score that many points tells me they're not very good defensively. I'm more certain that the Giants are better than we thought they might be than are the Cowboys really that good? Opening up a new stadium, and America's team. I think vegas is giving them more love than usual home teams.

[GMoney]

To me SF and Jax look like the best plays on the board. Gotta think the SF is gonna come out pretty pumped with the opportunity to get to 2-0, can't remember the last time that was. Not to mention a victory puts them 2-0 in the division and Sea is a notoriously poor road team. Jax is more of a trend play with the west coast team going east. I think these two teams played last year with Jax winning by 4 and ultimately pushing. AZ still seems to be getting too much public love imo.

I 100% agree. :thumbs:

I'm starting to get talked out of the Jets bet. I think The NYG might be my third favorite play. I like the Titans at home as well and I'd have to take the 'pick the winner' angle since the spread is less than 7. Thomas Jones had a field day against at Houston and Chris Johnson and Fatty but not as Fatty as I used to be LenDale should give it to H-town as well.

[daft_picks]

I'm starting to get talked out of the Jets bet. I think The NYG might be my third favorite play. I like the Titans at home as well and I'd have to take the 'pick the winner' angle since the spread is less than 7. Thomas Jones had a field day against at Houston and Chris Johnson and Fatty but not as Fatty as I used to be LenDale should give it to H-town as well.

that's what I'm talking about. Titans should be able to control the clock against Houston and keep them off the field as much as possible.

Anyone else like Baltimore as a 3 point dog to San Diego? I think the Chargers will have major trouble stopping the crazy run game of baltimore and flacco is a waaay better QB than Russel. I could easily see Baltimore winning this game, I know the had a close call with KC but they still beat the spread. I think the chargers are overrated and LT twisted his ankle (not good for one of my fantasy teams), Sproles alone is not going to get the fun game going. Someone else is on the depth chart but I just see no chance for effectiveness.

I think there are some good ML shots this week, NYG +130, Balt +145, Cle +140, Tampa +190 (bills are great at finding ways to lose), even Oak +140, especially the first two because I think they are top-tier NFL teams. And it pains me to say that because I HATE the ravens :puke:

Great discussion guys keep it up :thumbs:

[Underdog88]

San Fran is a very underrated team with one of the best coaches when all is said and done, IMHO. They went into Arizona and shut down the Cards offensively and I have every reason to believe they can neutralize the Seahawk wr's if they completely shut down Fitz and Bolden. Offensively Hill has a pretty solid record as a starter, don't remember off the top of my head but he's well over .500.

I'm very leery of SF this week for a couple reasons. First coming off a big road win where they NEVER could ge it done, could be a letdown spot. Arizona shot themselves in the foot vs SF- 12 penalties for 80 yards, Warner had 2 picks. Zona outgained sf 299-203, so I wouldn't really say they shut them down. SF 3.4 yds gain per play, and Zona had 4.7 ypp. I do agree that they have a solid defense (you don't know how bad I wanted the Bills to draft Willis, and Clements is a top 3 cb in the game) but that isn't my concern. The Niners oline is, which looked terrible to me. 25 rushes 21 yards. You won't continue to win if you can't generate a run game.

I'm not saying the Seahawks are going to be a top tier NFC team, can't give them too much credit for beating the Rams, but they do look much improved. Hasselbeck is a good qb, though he will make some ill-advised passes. Carlson is emerging as a top te in the game, I think now he has more than enough talent to keep the offense balanced.

I think people aren't giving the Seahawks D any respect, but they looked physical and got at Bulger. If SF's oline plays the way they did vs Zona, Hill could have a tough day. I'm leaning on the Hawks, but I'm waiting to see the status of LBs Leroy Hill & Tatupu. Withought them I don't touch the game.....

[Underdog88]

Playing devil's advocate here but why all the Zona hate? Yes Hightower really was the only one who made a mark offensively, but good rb play was often the problem with zona. I give credit to a good SF secondary for keeping Fitz in check. Boldin is obviously not 100%, and Breaston didn't play. I get the feeling they will be a different team on sunday. It's not like they don't have pride and won't want to come out firing. Jax was outgained 365- 228 last week, mostly through the air. They also lost Hayward for the season. I'm not sold on the Jags, but I do think that Zona is a playoff team. These are the kind of games a playoff team wins.....

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

I'm very leery of SF this week for a couple reasons. First coming off a big road win where they NEVER could ge it done, could be a letdown spot.

Maybe in the middle of the season....but a letdown on a home-opener? Against a division rival? With a coach like Mike? No way, IMO.

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

Playing devil's advocate here but why all the Zona hate? Yes Hightower really was the only one who made a mark offensively, but good rb play was often the problem with zona. I give credit to a good SF secondary for keeping Fitz in check. Boldin is obviously not 100%, and Breaston didn't play. I get the feeling they will be a different team on sunday. It's not like they don't have pride and won't want to come out firing. Jax was outgained 365- 228 last week, mostly through the air. They also lost Hayward for the season. I'm not sold on the Jags, but I do think that Zona is a playoff team. These are the kind of games a playoff team wins.....

West>East travel? Dunno.

No play for me.

[Daws1089]

Udog, Seattle's Leroy Hill is out until November.

[Underdog88]

Udog, Seattle's Leroy Hill is out until November.

wow didn't see that. Tatupu hasn't practiced, niether has Houshmanzilly (back spasms).

[Daws1089]

......neither have Walter Jones and the center Spencer......

[GMoney]

I think people aren't giving the Seahawks D any respect, but they looked physical and got at Bulger. If SF's oline plays the way they did vs Zona, Hill could have a tough day. I'm leaning on the Hawks, but I'm waiting to see the status of LBs Leroy Hill & Tatupu. Withought them I don't touch the game.....

2 things:

1. SJax averaged 4.2 ypc. Gore is a more physical inside runner and can attack this Dline. He's harder to bring down because he keeps his legs moving so well. SJax is the better RB but he's more shifty.

2. The 9'ers dont have a vertical passing game, so Hill will not be standing in the pocket as much as Bulger. Singletary is a hard nose football guy and SF wants to pound the rock. And when they throw its 15 yards downfield max to the WR's or Davis and Gore underneath.

Maybe in the middle of the season....but a letdown on a home-opener? Against a division rival? With a coach like Mike? No way, IMO.

Exactly. The second Singletary senses a let down he'll call time out and run on the field in the middle of the huddle and knock heads like he did in Arizona last week. He doesn't mess around and willh ave this team focused. Chance to go 2-0 in the division to start the season. Home opener. I understand your concern for a letdown UDog and its a valid one. I just believe it doesn't happen in this spot.

[GMoney]

Playing devil's advocate here but why all the Zona hate? Yes Hightower really was the only one who made a mark offensively, but good rb play was often the problem with zona. I give credit to a good SF secondary for keeping Fitz in check. Boldin is obviously not 100%, and Breaston didn't play. I get the feeling they will be a different team on sunday. It's not like they don't have pride and won't want to come out firing. Jax was outgained 365- 228 last week, mostly through the air. They also lost Hayward for the season. I'm not sold on the Jags, but I do think that Zona is a playoff team. These are the kind of games a playoff team wins.....

Hightower made an impact because, as you said, the 9'ers D shut down Fitz and the other WR's. I think Urban had a big catch or two (greater than 20 yards) but dumps to Hightower were all Arizona had. I dont see him being their leading receiver every week:laughing:

I do not think Arizona is a playoff team. Warner's age is showing and he is clearly not 100%. I watched the entire game, and he has about zero mobility (not that he ever had any) and seemingly every time he got hit he suffered obvious pain he had to shake off. He's fragile. SB losers consistently struggle out of the gate the next year and Arizona is breaking in new offensive and defensive coordinators. They were 0-4 in preseason. Other then Fitz and Bolden I'm not sure what's to like about this team other than the fact they went to the SB last year. I think thats a dangerous nail to hang your coat on...

Jax also created some turnovers versus a guy who doens't really turn the ball over that much in Peyton Manning. I see their defense causing some problems for Warner and co. in a similar way to the 9'ers last week.

[Underdog88]

Great points guys, especially the ones about the oline. I knew they were banged up but it brings some concerns out. Hasselbeck did throw 2 picks last week, and if he's getting pressured it could be trouble.

2 things:

1. SJax averaged 4.2 ypc. Gore is a more physical inside runner and can attack this Dline. He's harder to bring down because he keeps his legs moving so well. SJax is the better RB but he's more shifty.

2. The 9'ers dont have a vertical passing game, so Hill will not be standing in the pocket as much as Bulger. Singletary is a hard nose football guy and SF wants to pound the rock. And when they throw its 15 yards downfield max to the WR's or Davis and Gore underneath.

In response to these- SF couldn't run on Zona. At all. Plain and simple I don't trust that offense. I think the Hawks offense is the better one by quite a bit. The points you made about it not being a letdown game I can see- little chance of letdown....


The more I look at this the more I think I will sit it out on a side, maybe just wait till the half. I do lean under for pretty much all the reasons stated- good D, questionable olines.

[Underdog88]

Hightower made an impact because, as you said, the 9'ers D shut down Fitz and the other WR's. I think Urban had a big catch or two (greater than 20 yards) but dumps to Hightower were all Arizona had. I dont see him being their leading receiver every week:laughing:

My point was that Hightower contributing will open up the offense even more. Of course he won't be the leading receiver, you better believe the Cards wrs are gonna show up this week. SF D>Jax D by a mile. When healthy the Cards wrs> Colts wrs. Gonzalez went down for Indy and Wayne was killing the secondary. Everyone is down on the Cards, but I just have this feeling the wrs will want to prove something this week. I think Warner throws for 300+, and I think this should have been set at a pickem. I am willing to go against the West --->East trend when I can get the better team as a dog. ou set at 43 looks way low to me. Leaning Cards tt over as well.

[GMoney]

ou set at 43 looks way low to me.

I like that over a lot. Thanks for pointing it out.

I know what you're saying. Sorry, that laughing guy thing was at the fact Hightower was actually the leading receiver, which is a f'n joke on that squad with these receivers.

I see your side here I just don't see it happening. How did Arizona do on the road last year? They were 0-5 in the Eastern Time Zone (Washington, Jets, Philly, Carolina, Pats) with the closest game being a 4 point loss to the Panthers.

I don't believe Arizona is the better team here, either.

Good talk:thumbs: