Give me a break on the Stafford deal

**Underdog88** · 04-25-2009, 01:00 AM

bust

sorry larry:bang:

**BoilerBacker** · 04-25-2009, 10:32 AM

I hope he flames out. Why don't they invest that money on a solid O line?

Give me a solid O line and a decent running back and a QB that can throw an accurate ball and I will take that over a so called gun arm dude who had the benefit of playing on a college team with lots of good receivers and backs.

Seemed to work well with Sipe and Kosar at Cleveland and with Brees in NO. (Brees could use a slightly better O line though.)

**JohnnyMapleLeaf** · 04-25-2009, 11:20 AM

The NFL draft is really broken. Unless there is a clear-cut can't miss...it's actually better to have the 4th or 5th pick. That should never be the way it is. You don't have to pay nearly as much, and you have just as good of a chance of getting a future all-pro. I'd rather pay Aaron Curry 20 Million, who is less risk, than take a chance on a 1st round QB for 80 million. I think I read a stat that only 40% of first round QBs pan out.

The NBA and NHL have the rookie salaries capped for the first 3 years, and the NFL really needs to do that as well in this day and age.

**JohnnyMapleLeaf** · 04-25-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by BoilerBacker

I hope he flames out. Why don't they invest that money on a solid O line?

Give me a solid O line and a decent running back and a QB that can throw an accurate ball and I will take that over a so called gun arm dude who had the benefit of playing on a college team with lots of good receivers and backs.

Seemed to work well with Sipe and Kosar at Cleveland and with Brees in NO. (Brees could use a slightly better O line though.)

I thought they shoulda taken Crabtree... :laughing:

**Q-Unit** · 04-25-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyMapleLeaf

I thought they shoulda taken Crabtree... :laughing:

why not?

He'll last longer in the pros than Stafford IMO. Just grab a QB off FA or later rounds. How many QBs have been total MISSES in the top 10 picks? Matt Ryan and Flacco were exceptions but not the standard to the Rule.

in fact in the past 10 or so years, maybe Rothlisberger is the gold standard for top ten pick QB that panned out.

Eli Manning may be Super Bowl MVP but that MVP that year should have gone to the Giants D-line collectively. and there are many many many QBs anyone here would rather have than Eli.

everyone else from Harrington, Carr, Vince Young, Andre Ware LOL, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart....Philip Rivers is decent. but he isnt setting the world on fire.

Jay Cutler could still be a good QB but gettin traded when youre barely 25 doesnt mean you suck but you have a fragile ego, and I dont know very many great HOF QBs who could easily be so rattled....OFF THE FIELD no less...

lol yes I'm a total homer but seriously the Lions need help across the board in all positions, why not grab Crabtree and sell some tickets along the way as they try to rebuild? Its gonna be a process not overnight, and Stafford just doesnt fit that profile of franchise savior.

the problem with all of this is not that he deserves it, just that it seems to be a rookie salary scale that inflates automatically in succession of years. Just because its 2009 and not 2001, youre gonna tell me that Stafford deserves more money than Ryan Leaf (err bad example), I meant Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, or Michael Vick (pre-Pit Bull scandal of course)?

I don't get it, as a federal employee I get grade step raises and standard of living raises on a yearly basis, but this is the NFL, they dont need standard of living raises nor do the players need to outpace inflation in a monetary sense LOL

geez.

Crabtree!!! :thumbs:

**JohnnyMapleLeaf** · 04-25-2009, 12:34 PM

lol...yeah Q...I know your boy is good, and he very well might be better than Stafford. Like I said in my post, only about 40% of top round high profile QBs pan out. We can all name most of those bums. I agree on your post.

I think you missed the "joke", it was more of a comment on how the Lions have drafted the best receiver on the board about 7 straight years...lol

**Daws1089** · 04-25-2009, 01:03 PM

This is all the NFLPA's fault. The league and Union need to work something out like nba has. This is awful. Whats even worse is that the lions need way more help than a QB can give them. Aaron Curry said he would have singed for less than what Jake Long got last year if they took him number one lol.

Also, they have Culpooper signed for one more year. The guy has lost 30 lbs and apparently is in great shape. Linehan is in now who is the only OC who has ever gotten through to Culpooper and I would think they would be able to make due with him while they built things around it. They will probably only win 5-6 games anyway this year so why not get one of the better QBs coming out next year?

They are retarded if they do not select defensive players and offensive lineman from here on out.

**Q-Unit** · 04-25-2009, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by JohnnyMapleLeaf

lol...yeah Q...I know your boy is good, and he very well might be better than Stafford. Like I said in my post, only about 40% of top round high profile QBs pan out. We can all name most of those bums. I agree on your post.

I think you missed the "joke", it was more of a comment on how the Lions have drafted the best receiver on the board about 7 straight years...lol

lol NO the irony was not lost on me, I do realize Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson, etc.... were all Matt Millen draft picks, but I was just expanding on your point and adding my twisted extra homerism that Crabtree would be a better pick than Stafford and the Lions can address other needs through the draft, and find a better QB in lower rounds or via Free Agency...

:beer2:

**Q-Unit** · 04-25-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Q-Unit

lol NO the irony was not lost on me, I do realize Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Calvin Johnson, etc.... were all Matt Millen draft picks, but I was just expanding on your point and adding my twisted extra homerism that Crabtree would be a better pick than Stafford and the Lions can address other needs through the draft, and find a better QB in lower rounds or via Free Agency...

:beer2:

thats like chasing a team to win in a 6 game series, and they lose 4 ATS in a row LOL

fading the Lions to NOT take a WR in the top ten in the last decade would have been a losing proposition, if not for already signing Stafford this year, I wouldnt be surprised if they had a long look at Crab lol

OK here's the most important point IMO that will only further handicap the Lions from any success in the next 2-5 seasons:

- Stafford's scouting report says he's the prototypical size, and has good arm strength, and throws the deep ball well. BUT he is not accurate but the Lions do not emphasize accuracy seeing as they envision him taking shots down field and taking advantage of matchups a la Calvin Johnson.

- What. The. Fck. ACCURACY is not a key factor in evaluating this guy? or completely ignoring that negative attribute according to this scouting report? Seriously who is running the Lions, someone WORSE than Millen? I feel for Lions fans.

Then again I could argue there isnt a true number one overall pick in this class and its hard enough trading out of that spot, unless there is a true pick, no one wants to trade up to number one. However I agree with Daws, why not go the O-Line D-Line route and shore up the trenches. Thats the quickest way to really improve a team. Even the Dolphins reaped benefits taking Jake Long number one overall instead of say Matt Ryan even though they needed a QB. Ideally the Dolphins could still use a QB if they arent content with Pennington, but IMO a gimmick stays a gimmick, the resurrection of the WildCat formation will not last as soon as D's adjust and that case can be argued in the 2nd half of last season when teams planned for/against it.

anyways Jake Long and Mario Williams are nice examples of taking the less spectacular route and going for Linemen instead of say Vince Young....

**Daws1089** · 04-25-2009, 01:56 PM

Exactly Q, you build a team from the O/D Lines out. Also, regarding the dolphins they are just going ride out penningtons last year of the contract and then Chad Henne will be the starter:thumbs:

**Q-Unit** · 04-25-2009, 04:40 PM

you know what they need more than a rookie salary cap?

how about a freaking ticket cap?

ridiculous paying 300 bucks for nosebleed seats to a pro game :puke:

**FlyersFan** · 04-25-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Q-Unit

ridiculous paying 300 bucks for nosebleed seats to a pro game :puke:

who do you think pays for Stafford's salary.....:thumbs:

**Q-Unit** · 04-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by FlyersFan

who do you think pays for Stafford's salary.....:thumbs:

Larry

:beer2:

**Larry** · 04-26-2009, 05:56 PM

I have not been to a game since Matt Millen took over.

This draft proves that this is the worst team in professional sports.:puke:

Give me a break on the Stafford deal

Give me a break on the Stafford deal

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