2008 Election

[dananderson32]

did i miss something....:dunno:....was Ronald Reagan a democrat because under Regan this economy was some of the best years people had seen in decades. But then again you may not have been born yet...lol.

and for what it is worth, congress is just as responsible for things as the president. Funny thing is that the democrats have had control of congress for 2 years and have done nothing. They spoke of change 2 years ago. Where is that change? Probably the same "change" obama speaks of.........can't wait for coke in the drinking fountains and longer recesses........They have a lame duck president and majority control in both houses and haven't done squat.

nancy pelosi now theres a big time winner from your great state of california FF :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[BIGBALLER]

who says marriage is between a man and a woman a 2,000 year old book? me or you? who is to say what marriage is between ?

Guess I will jump in on this:

Do you believe in the Pilgrims? What about the Constitution? These are people or things that were around long before you or I were born, but I assume you take them as the truth since they teach this in our schools everyday.

That 2000 year old book is what this country was founded on. 1620 a covenant called THE MAYFLOWER COMPACTwas established. The first paragraph sets forth their reason was wanting to settle in the new land: "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland king, defenderof the faith,etc., having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christain faith, and honour of our king and country, a voyageto plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, doe, by these presents, solemly and mutually in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politick."

William Penn founder of Philadelphia wrote, " If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants."

Patrick Henry on March 23,1775 gave a fiery speech to the Second Virginia Conventionas he begged the colonies to band together against British oppression. "Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. 3 million of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just Godwho presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us."

Theodore Roosevelt in 1917 wrote an article titled "Going to Church. " In this actual world a churchless community, a community where men have abandoned and scoffed at or ignored their religious needs, is a community on the rapid downgrade."


Dan, I have seen my wife give birth to my son and daughter and there is NO doubt in my mind and Heart that their is a GOD and that book called the BIBLE is the truth. I also understand that as humans we want to be able to prove things that we can't see, although this is why it is called FAITH. Our world as it was founded is declining because we as a society are failing to follow God. Marriage is between a man and a woman ( Genisus 2:24)

[dananderson32]

Guess I will jump in on this:

Do you believe in the Pilgrims? What about the Constitution? These are people or things that were around long before you or I were born, but I assume you take them as the truth since they teach this in our schools everyday.

That 2000 year old book is what this country was founded on. 1620 a covenant called THE MAYFLOWER COMPACTwas established. The first paragraph sets forth their reason was wanting to settle in the new land: "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland king, defenderof the faith,etc., having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christain faith, and honour of our king and country, a voyageto plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, doe, by these presents, solemly and mutually in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politick."

William Penn founder of Philadelphia wrote, " If we will not be governed by God, then we will be ruled by tyrants."

Patrick Henry on March 23,1775 gave a fiery speech to the Second Virginia Conventionas he begged the colonies to band together against British oppression. "Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. 3 million of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just Godwho presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us."

Theodore Roosevelt in 1917 wrote an article titled "Going to Church. " In this actual world a churchless community, a community where men have abandoned and scoffed at or ignored their religious needs, is a community on the rapid downgrade."


Dan, I have seen my wife give birth to my son and daughter and there is NO doubt in my mind and Heart that their is a GOD and that book called the BIBLE is the truth. I also understand that as humans we want to be able to prove things that we can't see, although this is why it is called FAITH. Our world as it was founded is declining because we as a society are failing to follow God. Marriage is between a man and a woman ( Genisus 2:24)

i respect your input and opinion can i ask you a question though what makes the catholic religion/Christianity the right religion over the other religions and let that be the law of the land one religion if im not mistaken didn't the founding fathers want separation of church and state? i by no means am saying you can't worship your God or any God thats the beauty of this country (did you see that HD me showing love to the USA) when i ask most people that question they have a one word answer and that is FAITH. I simply believe that religion should have no place in government than again i know that the early years of this country and peoples opinion about religion were far different than they are today

[Q-Unit]

I will leave you with a quick story and then im done in this arena. Ive said my peace.

My sister was going through the drive through at mickey D's getting a coffee after school and she pulled up to the window and this kid recognized her from 7th grade english a few years ago. my sister said he seemed kind of embarassed that she saw him there and he said hello and said that he was just working there as an after school job. he was on schedule to graduate this next year from HS and was looking at getting into a college somewhere. my sister said he was one of her poorer students and was behind most of the time, but always tried hard. she said if he can make it anyone can. she talked with him for a couple of minutes and then drove off. she said it was very rewarding to see someone that was working hard and that looked like they were going to make it and she made sure to tell him that........no race card....no blaming society............no blaming don imus........and truthfully i won't ever pull harder for someone than i would for somebody like that kid. HE IS THE ONE WHO DESERVES OUR HELP....not some low life hanging out in front of a liquor store all day in Oakland living off the government, or some white trash out of work alcoholic, or some illegal mexican who broke our most sacred rule and now we want to reward him.

good luck with whatever voting decision you make Q..........in the end you need to make up your own mind as do others. ......:thumbs:

First of all. BigBaller! wtf long time no see, hope all is well man :beerbang:

FF, its always enlightening discussing stuff in here, but now I'm seeing as much as we try to convey our ideas properly, sometimes we'll leave something out, or the thing we're discussing gets lost in context or misconstrued.

In no way do I condone handouts, or free money off our hard earned work to people who don't deserve it, or continuously abuse it. If thats the impression you got then I wasn't clear enough thats all :thumbs: I mean the story you mention above is exactly how I feel. I don't think I said, I hope I didn't (I prolly did knowing my dumbass lol) say that I support this kind of thing. You said how can I support Dems if I support that statement. I don't support the democrats. My overall theme in this drivel of mine is being devils advocate, when I started this thread I was addressing the one-sided output of political stuff on the internet (at least where I go to, maybe that means I need to go to more places lol), and around this area where I live. Thats all, I have numerously stated that I take on devils' advocate mentality just because thats the way I roll, and I always like to see/hear/read both sides of the story.

No way does that endorse my support for dems or reps. I would be flattered actually if someone described me as a moderate. dem or rep I couldn't care less, I'd prefer pimp but that isn't so political lol.

Hell when I was born, my family was still not established and my parents worked their asses off to get where we are today with little help if any from the gov.t So I mean I know what its like, and I know what it takes.

So I get what you're saying, but I think you're taking from my statements that I am more liberal than conservative and that I'm directing most of my arguments against yours because I think you're conservative. Whether you are or not, you've mentioned previously that you lean but are not I think, that you just do what you do (in a sense lol).

But I emphasize that I am equally apathetic towards both. The only reason my posts may slightly antagonize the GOP is because thats all I hear around where I live, and happen to see/read online. I am not obligated nor wish to by any means defend the Democrats but I do get put off by GOP propoganda as the gospel and anything to do with Democrats are evil.

I think both are bad, and I do appreciate and like equal coverage/insight about both.

As for Obama to tell you the truth, when he first came onto the scene, I was impressed with his rhetoric, charisma and general persona. But as the layers of onions came off, I am getting more reluctant about his position as a candidate.

I haven't decided who I would vote for, but in regards to McCain I've seen him 3x now running for office and if the first two times I wasn't too keen on him, it stands to say that I won't be this time.

I can however understand people (the same people) who didn't necessarily support McCain before but are willing now in light of their other option, Obama. I understand that, but thats also not my view.

Somehow between now and November, depending on what I see, I will figure it out lol. Should be fun though.

And btw not that its important, I'm 26 now so cut me some slack Im out of that imaginary "25 and under clueless bracket!" lol shyt I'll be lucky if when I'm 56 I still have a clue

[Q-Unit]

did i miss something....:dunno:....was Ronald Reagan a democrat because under Regan this economy was some of the best years people had seen in decades. But then again you may not have been born yet...lol.

and for what it is worth, congress is just as responsible for things as the president. Funny thing is that the democrats have had control of congress for 2 years and have done nothing. They spoke of change 2 years ago. Where is that change? Probably the same "change" obama speaks of.........can't wait for coke in the drinking fountains and longer recesses........They have a lame duck president and majority control in both houses and haven't done squat.

ahh well my point of reference was Bush Sr. Adminstration and on since the only thing I knew about Ronald Reagan at the age of 8 was his name was mentioned in Back to the Future lol.

and along those lines, are general public perceptions aka: Dems = economy, Rep = defense.

They're not facts by any means, but rather actual people's perception I read somewhere about each party whether its coincidence or not.

[BoKnows]

As for Obama to tell you the truth, when he first came onto the scene, I was impressed with his rhetoric, charisma and general persona. But as the layers of onions came off, I am getting more reluctant about his position as a candidate.

Thanks for the definition of Obama,because that is about all he has and is. Very insiteful Q!Your smart behind your 26 years, just remember that when you go to place your vote...alot of rhetoric, charisma, and persona.......not a lot of substance. If you want substance just remember where he went to church for 20 + years, and his thoughts on the pledge of allegience...oh, and what he did in the Senate for 2 years...oh wait he did not do anything there, just see what he did to help the needy, or his half brother being he is such a giver..oh wait he did not do anything there either. Oh screw it just remember unless your dirt poor and making less than $15k/yr you will be paying out your ass in taxes...that should help:)

[Q-Unit]

......in the end you need to make up your own mind as do others. ......:thumbs:
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exactly. and that's what I've been harping on.

Again I emphasize (and maybe its my own fault cuz I don't go to many websites, only drunken midget clown porn, and predictem lol) that all I really want to see is:

People to tell me why I should vote for McCain instead of why I shouldn't vote for Obama.

I mean if you're doing a bit of both, as in well McCain will do this, and so on, for you and your family, while Obama's policy will not fit your best interests, then OK maybe I will be swayed.

But all I see is, Obama is a bad bad person (just paraphrasing now), and thats it from the McCain camp, at least what I see.

I mean that's kinda like if you had a choice of two girls to go out with: one's a chasity-belt-wearing-goodie-two-shoed-virgin and the other's a reputable slut. And all you hear from your mom is, "don't go out with that other girl, she's bad, she's not even a girl, her middle name is jack, so she must really be a dude, etc.. instead of her telling you why the first girl would be good person to go out with, you are naturally going to wonder why.

you are going to wonder why go to all that trouble to smear another when you could just state your reasons for the first.

I mean this is just a crude example, it has no real relevant correlation other than a broad one at best but that's how I feel. And for the record it's full of flaws cuz if you go to your mom for dating advice, then you already fcked up LOL.

[FlyersFan]

that all I really want to see is:

People to tell me why I should vote for McCain instead of why I shouldn't vote for Obama.

I mean if you're doing a bit of both, as in well McCain will do this, and so on, for you and your family, while Obama's policy will not fit your best interests, then OK maybe I will be swayed.



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sometimes Q, the answer isn't what you want, it's what you don't want. so for the last time here it goes: if you can't see it after this then you are lost....lol........

(a) McCain is far far far more qualified to lead this country in foreign policy. That isn't even debatable. Obama had to go hire a VP who actually knew something to legimitize his ticket. Is that what we want, a foreign policy apprentice as President? He had some ass clown trip to Afghanistan or wherever he went to try and posture like he was some foreign policy guru. He's a clown who hides behind rhetoric.

(b) economies are cyclical as is the housing market, the stock market etc.. they will rebound. how much and how far and how high depends on policies. You don't stimulate an economy by taking from those who work and giving to those who don't. I just don't understand why you keep playing devils advocate in this whole thing. Obama is probably one of the most liberal senators in the senate. I am far better off under McCain's economic proposed plan as are most other middle class americans. If that statement and (a) aren't enough for you Q then i really don't think you're listening to what's being said. Obama wants to raise capital gains taxes 20%, McCain status quo. Estate tax: McCain 5M exemption and 15%, Obama 3.5M and 45%. Obama wants to raise the tax rate of those above 200K individual and 250K (joint household income)...PLUS an additional 2-5% Social security and payroll tax on those individuals. I mean how much more do you need Q??? :dunno: 250K is a middle class income out here in CA. Most people can barely afford a house out here at that rate. How many more times and different ways do i have to say it??? The top 50% of this countries earners pay 97% of the taxes in this country already. How much more do you need to stick it up someone's ass Q? Is it all of a sudden a crime to do well in this country? I thought that is what this country was supposed to be all about. I thought we didn't like socialism.


Q- you have 2 choices. McCain and Obama. Here's an analogy for you. I tell you that you have 2 choices....1) let me shoot you in the knee with a grazing wound....2) let me shoot you in the head. If you need a reason to take the shot in the knee then you are lost before you started.

What's really funny Q is that the democrats control the majority of governerships, the senate, the house, the majority of state and county legislatures.............and yet nothing is their fault on the economy, fannie mae etc.......:dunno: how's that work.

i would stop being the "devils advocate" for the sake of being one and worrying about how campaigns are run, what kind of ads are on TV and look at the stat sheets. And a lot of the so called "smearing" isn't smearing, they are facts.


and i don't put you in the "under 25 idiots" category. at least you're making the effort....:thumbs:......

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

im really done now....lol.........

[Q-Unit]

Q- you have 2 choices. McCain and Obama. Here's an analogy for you. I tell you that you have 2 choices....1) let me shoot you in the knee with a grazing wound....2) let me shoot you in the head. If you need a reason to take the shot in the knee then you are lost before you started.

can I move to Canada with JML? I hear some hot tail reside in Toronto and Vancouver :beer2:

[homedawg]

Here's an analogy for you. I tell you that you have 2 choices....1) let me shoot you in the knee with a grazing wound....2) let me shoot you in the head...

That's too easy: I take your gun and shoot you in the f'n heart! :flag:

[FlyersFan]

That's too easy: I take your gun and shoot you in the f'n heart! :flag:

not a choice here.......lol


also, for anyone who says well taxing those above 200K is no big deal and it has no bearing on somebody making 70K a year, guess again. that's my warehouse manager who no longer gets health insurance, child care and won't be getting a raise because Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid just took thath money from me and gave it to someone else that makes their living off of social programs. there is a HUGE trickle down effect. anytime you cut someone's income you also cut what he would spend at places like the local restaurants etc........

i love this whole argument against rich people. wish people would do their f'ing homework. who do you think pays most of the taxes that are paid in this country? and since when did doing well in life become a crime?

[homedawg]

not a choice here.......lol

Oh, then it must be a PATRIOTISM test? Therefore, before you get to take the shot, I will burn MY FLAG, and shoot myself, with my own gun!

[FlyersFan]

People should not be afraid of their governments...Governments should be afraid of their people. - The article below was written by syndicated columnist, Thomas Sowell, a black man. You may not agree with him, but he is one very intelligent man with a gift for expressing his thoughts in a very blunt way that people can easily understand. He wrote this in a humorous way this past week in a column titled ' Random Thoughts ' and published it in newspapers nationally, so maybe you've already seen it. If not, be my guest:

Thomas Sowell

Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow The Hoover Institution - Stanford University Stanford , California 94305
~~~~~~~~~ Professor Sowell ' s Article ~~~~~~~~~~Senator John McCain could never convince me to vote for him Only Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain. After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President. I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for. We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words ' money ' and ' special interests ' come to mind, among many others. Here's the way I see it: Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system. You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth! But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job! Barack, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend ' God Damn America ' Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there. The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people. We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now. And you have publicly stated that this man IS your ' spiritual mentor. BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you.. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a ' discouraging word ' in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades. Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out on your campaign. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing. Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallies and never once heard the ' N ' word. Yep. And Bill Clinton 'did not inhale' Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you. I am deeply sorry, that in a country teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office. Which leaves us with Senator John McCain. John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit loony, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.. Think about it. We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabers at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really ticked off at all these other nut jobs around the planet. John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these ' world leaders ' to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America I want the nuclear button sitting rightnext to the alarm clock on your nightstand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran , Russia , China ,Venezuela , Cuba , Libya , Syria , Pakistan , and those other dopes in the sheets, the Saudis. On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are ticked at him and the conservatives are ticked at him. Just my kinda guy. I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Good choice. I want a Jew whose memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in his mind and who is royally ticked off at all of these towel-headed morons in the Middle East to be the next in line if something should happen to John. Shalom, Vice President Joe. One heartbeat from the Oval Office.
Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was ' nothing special. ' Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the ' average American, 'and that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot on election day for John McCain -- warts and all.'

[FlyersFan]

TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.



Obama's Not Exactly:

1.)
Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect
on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.)
Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.)
Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya
has ever had.

4.)
My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to
get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5.)
My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....

Arcade@Home(tm) - NewsBoy Breaking News: Barack Hussein Obama - Arab-American, only 6.25% African

7.)
I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily
at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

4-3-08
Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'

8.)
My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

February 28,
2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds
on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

9.)
I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.)
Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except
how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.)
I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO
experience with our closest allies.

12.)
I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.)
I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.)
Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Mis-voted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by
church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your mis-vote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.)
I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.)
I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone
else but yourself, in your books.

25.)
My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.)
I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.)
No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel .

30.)
I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the
delegates decide.

31.)
I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.)
I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.)
I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.)
I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47
lobbyists, and counting.

36.)
My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against
Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.)
I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all
to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

39.)
My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT
EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating.

[BIGBALLER]

i respect your input and opinion can i ask you a question though what makes the catholic religion/Christianity the right religion over the other religions and let that be the law of the land one religion if im not mistaken didn't the founding fathers want separation of church and state? i by no means am saying you can't worship your God or any God thats the beauty of this country (did you see that HD me showing love to the USA) when i ask most people that question they have a one word answer and that is FAITH. I simply believe that religion should have no place in government than again i know that the early years of this country and peoples opinion about religion were far different than they are today

Dan you question can only be answered this way. Although there are differences in interpretation and opionion, all Christians share a set of beliefs that we hold as essential to our faith.

1. belief in God the father, Jesus as the son of God, and the Holy Spirit
2. death, ressurection, and the ascension of Christ
3. holiness of the Church
4. Christ's second coming, day of judgementand salvation of the faithful

I do believe religion has a place in gov't since God appointed these authorities. Romans 13:1-2


Also, I remember as a young boy going to school and saying the Pledge of Allegiance and saying a prayer before school began. Today our society is trying to take GOD out of the pledge, our children can't pray in school and the Ten Commandments are being removed because someone/group is offended.Well ded gummit homosexuality offends me but I am told I have to accept it,:bang: it bothers me my tax dollars go to assist illegals and we have veterans who are living on our streets but again I have to put up with this :puke: .

WE THE PEOPLE must begin to select the leaders from all levels of Gov't that will put GOD first and ask for GOD to direct their decisions and NOT their own PARTY.

Finally, Dan I saw in another thread that you were not going to be voting this year. I hope you would reconsider since the opportunity of voting in FREE elections is a privilege that many people have given their lives for. It is a responsibility and blessing from God.