***Week 8 Discussion***

[cavorca12]

I'm warming up to Mia more and more. I don't think Brown's injury makes a big difference either way, as Chatman has played well this season. Also, the great ATS record of winless teams of 0-5 or worse has been bucked the past 2 weeks by STL and Mia. I think both have better than average situations this week, but I like Mia's a little more. One worry though, is that at 0-7, it's just like a vacation to them instead of taking care of business. Another thing I'd be considering if I were not a Saints fan, SF at +3. I'm still not sold on us, lol...

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

No Ronnie Brown & Zach Thomas = No play for me...

[Daws1089]

yea exactly JML... no ronnie brown fine,, but that defense might not stop Notre Dame without thomas in the middle.

[DevilsAdvokt]

Someone give me some thoughts on the SD/Houston game. I think Houston could keep this close, they can move the ball through the air, but I'm waiting to see if Shaub will start. I think he does, so the 10 pts look tempting....however I'm not sure with the Chargers rested off a bye. Houston has the #5 passing attack avg 265 per game, even without Andre Johnson. The Chargers have the leagues 25th pass d, allowing 240 per game. The Chargers have the edge in the run game, as they are avg 4.3/125yds per game, & Houston is allowing 4.7 ypc. I'm sure LT will be finding the endzone more than once this game. I have the Chargers putting up 28+, so do the Texans score 20? Maybe the o45 is a little better, because if Houston does keep it close, I would think it sails over. One thing that worries me is the Texans #31 rushing attack. Just 3.1 ypc, & they're facing the #6 run D in the league, & teams rarely can keep the cover if they become 1 dimensional.

Has this game been decided where it will be played? if its played in houston ill take the points..

right now 2 of my 3 books dont even have a spread for this game... so i feel that i am just gonna stay away from this game... i do however have this gut feeling that there will be alot of points put up in this game but than again its 3:30 in the afternoon here in oregon and i am upset at a situation here and i think i am a little drunk so dont take what i say into consideration...

also i want to note that after looking at the games again this week in the nfl... something strikes me as unusual

at first glance i didnt notice but i was wondering if anyone felt the same about these following spreads to be wrong or felt should be different....????


saints favored over 49ers in san fran by -2??? shouldnt the home team be favored in this toilet bowl match up...

points over 40 in san fran/saints i feel this should have been put at 45 or so...

phili favored on the road at minni just doesnt make sense to me with all the distractions going on and after getting beat at home late by the bears...

titans favored by 9 points over raiders...


i am probably gonna fade all 4 of these and take

49ers +2
raiders +9
minni +1
over 40 sanfran/aints


some input on these 4 games and thoughts to why the spreads are at what they are would be nice...

thanks and good luck this week

[cavorca12]

JML, that's a pretty good point on Zach Thomas. At first, I completely disregarded the game because of the Europe thing, but once I began looking at things, Mia looked like a possible play for me. Without Brown, yea, Chatman can get the job done IMO, but you're probably right that Thomas is another story. Thanks for the info.

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

saints favored over 49ers in san fran by -2??? shouldnt the home team be favored in this toilet bowl match up...

points over 40 in san fran/saints i feel this should have been put at 45 or so...

SF favoured? No way...they wouldn't be favoured over anyone....and not over NO, who have won 2 in a row, have some big name offensive talent, and had alot of preseason hype...no way SF could be favoured with the way people think NO is back.

Also...no way that game total would be over 40...SF is by far the worst offensive team in the NFL...and has injury problems at the QB & RB positions. Like the under 40.5, and would hammer a 45 Under...

I'm not saying NO will definitely win this game, but I don't see how the oddsmakers could have made SF favs....GL!

[Underdog88]

saints favored over 49ers in san fran by -2??? shouldnt the home team be favored in this toilet bowl match up...

points over 40 in san fran/saints i feel this should have been put at 45 or so...

I think the Saints should be favored here... SF's offense is non-existant & the Saints are the better team despite the poor start. IMO the Saints win this one, even with Alex Smith returning. The Saints weakness is the pass D, & at #32 passing offense, SF has little to exploit that weakness.

[Underdog88]

saints favored over 49ers in san fran by -2??? shouldnt the home team be favored in this toilet bowl match up...

points over 40 in san fran/saints i feel this should have been put at 45 or so...

I think the Saints should be favored here... SF's offense is non-existant & the Saints are the better team despite the poor start. IMO the Saints win this one, even with Alex Smith returning. The Saints weakness is the pass D, & with the league's #32 passing offense, SF has little to exploit that weakness. I would lean to the under here, as SF hasn't scored over 20 ppg all season & is averaging 13 ppg. SF game went over last week because of 4 turnovers, & IMO that's the only way the Niners can win this game. If you think they win, they would have to limit the Saints scoring or put up way more points than they usually do. Nothing suggests to me that they'll start scoring though, so I can't endorse the over.

[Underdog88]

I dunno wtf happened there....


In regards to the Miami game, IMO it's still Miami or no-play for me. No homefield advantage, Miami is bound to play a tight one, & Eli is bound to make some mistakes. NYG going into a bye....my concern is how will the Fins stop the run?

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

The Saints weakness is the pass D, & with the league's #32 passing offense, SF has little to exploit that weakness.

:thumbs:

[DevilsAdvokt]

I think the Saints should be favored here... SF's offense is non-existant & the Saints are the better team despite the poor start. IMO the Saints win this one, even with Alex Smith returning. The Saints weakness is the pass D, & at #32 passing offense, SF has little to exploit that weakness.

non existant cause statue trent dilfer was quarter back... frank gore will be frank gore of last year vs this saints team and drew brees will be drew of this year as the anouncer says all day in san fran this week "another pick thrown by drew brees" 49ers win this out right 24-13

good luck guys

[Underdog88]

non existant cause statue trent dilfer was quarter back... frank gore will be frank gore of last year vs this saints team and drew brees will be drew of this year

Alex Smith didn't exactly tear it up before his injury... 126 yards passing vs. the Cards & Rams, only 1 td in 3 full games. I just don't see him coming in & leading this team down the field for 24 points. Of course it could happen, but from what I've seen out of SF this season, it looks unlikely. I'm seriously considering a play on the Saints here...

[Underdog88]

I want to talk a little more about the Minny game... I can understand why people are entertaining the Vikings as a play, with the way the Eagles have been playing & Peterson's extraordinary play (not to mention the fade the public aspect). My question is, can Minny stop the pass? Doesn't that scare anyone? They are dead last in pass D, & we saw what the Eagles did to the #30 ranked Lions. At 2-4 this is a huge game for the Eagles, especially with the Skins having such a tough road game to play. I could see a 300+ yard passing day for McNabb easily, Westbrook on little flares to get him in the open field & away from that huge defensive line... I don't think Minny's D matches up well with Philly, especially given Reid's tendency to abandon the run game if it isn't working. I could forsee 35+ attempts for Donavan.

I also think the Eagles D matches up well vs. the Vikings offense. They have the 8th ranked run D, allowing 3.7 ypc. They're gonna stack the line & key in on Peterson. If they get Tavaris (or any other Vikes qb) into 3rd & long, the Eagles D could have a field day throwing blitzes at them. This Vikings pass offense is bad! 151 ypg, 3 tds & 6 ints. I think the Eagles could put up some points here, so can the Vikings?

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

non existant cause statue trent dilfer was quarter back... frank gore will be frank gore of last year vs this saints team and drew brees will be drew of this year as the anouncer says all day in san fran this week "another pick thrown by drew brees" 49ers win this out right 24-13

1. I'd rather have Dilfer than Smith...Alex had looked like **** b4 he got hurt.

2. The Gore of last year? When he ran for a whopping 40 yards against the Saints, and NO blew them out 34-10?

[JohnnyMapleLeaf]

My question is, can Minny stop the pass? Doesn't that scare anyone? They are dead last in pass D, & we saw what the Eagles did to the #30 ranked Lions.

Three of the Vikings games so far were against Dallas, GB & Detroit...3 of the top 7 passing teams in the league...maybe that's a reason...but, yeah good point....