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  • Franchise
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 1289

    Wednesday

    Another profitable night last night and the only loser was one I probably shouldn't have pulled the trigger on. I'll lock the lines in a little later this morning when my book changes it's overnight lines to dimes.

    St Louis

    I'm leaning toward backing Wainwright against a team where the hitters on the roster are hitting .192 with a .596 OPS. Wainwright had a hiccup against the Mets but he has had a tendency to drop 2-3 of those per season on the road. That is really the only difference between his home and road numbers since he almost never gives up more than 3 runs at home. St Louis on other hand has had success throughout the roster against Arroyo and should be able to score atleast 3-4 runs needed to back Wainwright for the W. St Louis has also been stepping up their offense lately as Pujols and Holliday have heated up to raise the whole offense. The only other consideration was the over with the ballpark and everything but having to pay the same juice for over 7 as the side I am leaning towards Wainwright. St Louis has scored atleast 4 runs in 9 straight games.

    Tampa/Detroit Under 7' -115 3 Units

    I locked this in again early. I think we have slightly more dependable pitchers going today and we get the beauty of a day game after a night game. Both managers like to use their bench in this situation so who knows what kind of lineup we'll see. We have two power pitchers against two struggling offenses. Price dominated a lineup that is much better hitting LHP with about the same game plan as Garza will have today. Verlander is a little more of a concern because he typically gives up 2-3 runs but as long as he gets deep in the game I think he can do better than that. My biggest concern is having to get more than 4 innings out of the bullpens combined. If it's less than that I think it stays under. Valverde is also rested today so a close or tie game probably gets him in the 9th. Last night the 9th was almost by downfall because the Tigers wore out their pen trying to find someone who will throw strikes.


    I'll pass on the rest of the early games for now although I am considering Houston or the under.

    GLTA
    MLB
    May
    Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
    Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
    Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

    April
    Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
    Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
    Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units
  • Woody12
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 638

    #2
    I like that Det-TB under but am concerned with the pens as well. I think I am going to play the UNDER 3.5 for the 5 innings at even money to be safer.

    I may roll against the Cards again today. Wainright has been solid but may be due for a let down, and if hes gets rattled early, it may be a long day for him. Over may be worth a look too as Arroyo is spotty against the Cards bats too.

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    • Franchise
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 1289

      #3
      GL with the first 5.

      As far as Wainwright I have to disagree. After looking at the numbers it is even clearer to me that St Louis is the play. Wainwright in his worst outings has allowed 6, 4 - 3 times, 3 - 2 times, 2 or less - 18 times. Last year after July 1st he allowed 6 - once, 3 - 3 times (two of those were a result of unearned runs), 2 or less - 15 times. So expecting Wainwright to allow 2 or fewer runs while pitching his average of 7 innings I expect that to provide St. Louis with a much better chance to win than the line indicates. Add in that the Reds that are available today are 14-73 vs Wainwright and that is the cake topper. Honestly I didn't really realize how great of a pitcher Wainwright is since he kind of slides under the radar.

      Arroyo numbers don't nearly match Wainwright and while he has started 3 games the opponent hasn't scored in they were against the Cubs (2) and Pirates. Arroyo has been much luckier when looking at BABIP especially considering there skills in regard to strikeouts, walks and flyballs. I'm looking for a score along the lines STL 4-6, Cincy 1-3.

      But GL either way.
      MLB
      May
      Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
      Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
      Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

      April
      Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
      Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
      Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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      • Franchise
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 1289

        #4
        St. Louis -130 3 Units

        It's not like you have to worry about a team not putting forth their best effort and laying an egg. This would put a similar stamp on the division like a smaller version of NY's sweep of Boston of a 5 game labor day weekend series. Kind of say "FU, shut up, we are in charge."


        Atl/Houston under 7 even 2 Units
        MLB
        May
        Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
        Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
        Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

        April
        Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
        Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
        Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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        • RamPride
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 496

          #5
          :thumbs: Maddon walks Cabrera with runners on 1st and 2nd, to load bases 2 outs to pitch to jhonny peralta, and he lines out. 1st 5 under 3.5 WINNNNNNA...you're looking solid as well franchise

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          • Franchise
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 1289

            #6
            Maddon did that the last series they played as well a couple of times. I don't think it's the worst strategy in the world and I guess you need to use it in the regular season to defend using it in the postseason.

            Nice winner, although as much as last night games was a dominant outing by both pitchers and I almost got backdoored by the Detroit pen, in this game there should be a lot more runs. The pitchers have been very fortunate to escape every bases loaded jam without runs and to have stranded 15 runners through 5 1/2 ip.
            MLB
            May
            Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
            Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
            Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

            April
            Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
            Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
            Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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            • RamPride
              Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 496

              #7
              I agree with both points, although in a 1-1 game putting the go ahead run at 3rd and another runner in scoring positon is ballsie in my book..basehit, and 2 score with 2 outs 85% of the time, but that's how bad the tigers Offense is and how much trust maddon has in his pitching staff!! Big DP after Perry starts the 7th with a leadoff walk..hoping this game stays 3-1 for ya!...

              looking at LAA -170 at 3:35......really no value at all especially against Greinke, but Weaver has been tough at home, and Greinke has been average at best in his past 3 starts..

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              • Franchise
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 1289

                #8
                I don't know the percentages on this situation nor do I care to try and figure it out but considering Cabrera's OBP there was a decent chance they would have been in the same or worse situation after Cabrera's at bat and with Peralta's avg and slugging percentage I have to assume Maddon was going with the percentage play, albeit not by the book.

                But Joe Maddon likes to shade things in his favor. He was all up in arms when the catwalk cost him a game a couple of weeks ago but there wasn't any similar uproar when he managed to win a game the same way against the Yankees earlier this year. Regardless I think he is a good manager because he gets his players to have fun and play aggressively which tends to put more pressure on the other team. It probably works out more often than not. Today was a time it backfired when Joyce guessed wrong on the DP liner to right.
                MLB
                May
                Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
                Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
                Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

                April
                Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
                Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
                Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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                • Franchise
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 1289

                  #9
                  To add for tonight

                  I would love to go back to the well on Toronto but another thing i didn't realize was how bad Boston has dominated them this season. I like Marcum to pitch well and get a W but it isn't worth my cash.

                  Florida +110 2 Units

                  Florida is 20-12 vs LHP's this season and Volstad is showing good form. Olsen is on extra rest but I don't see that as a bonus for him. I think the Marlins keep it up from last night.

                  Arizona +120 2 Units

                  I like how they have been playing and they should have won the last couple of games more handily than they did. I also expect a good effort out of Hudson. Milwuakee is still shorthanded.

                  Minnesota +160 2 Units

                  Minnesota has been hitting the ball well against everyone lately and they have had success against Danks in the past. Minnesota is also 23-16 vs LHP this season and have seen them on a pretty regular basis over the last few series. The Minnesota team total might be a better play but it doesn't have nearly these odds.


                  I'm also considering Pitt +165 first 5 but I think I will pass on that.

                  glta
                  MLB
                  May
                  Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
                  Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
                  Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

                  April
                  Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
                  Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
                  Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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                  • bluedevil12
                    Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 627

                    #10
                    Franchise, just wondering where did you see Florida's record vs LHPs?
                    NFL YTD: 83-75-3 (-4.83 U)
                    Spreads: 54-45-2 (+5.95 U)
                    Totals: 22-21-2 (-1.2 U)
                    Moneylines: 5-4 (+2.48 U)
                    Parlays: 1-4 (-10.56 U)
                    Teaser: 0-1 (-1.5 U)

                    NCAAF: 16-8 (+9.26 U)
                    Spreads: 12-8 (+3.3 U)
                    Totals: 3-0 (+3 U)
                    Parlay: 1-0 (+2.96 U)

                    NBA Dec: 13-9-1 (+3.1 U)

                    NCAABB: 29-36-3 (-9.1 U)

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                    • Franchise
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 1289

                      #11
                      I use ESPN's standings page. If you click on the 4th option for Division Standings it breaks down teams record vs each division as well as interleague and vs RHP and LHP. Sometimes it depends who they have faced but there are quite a few teams with wide discrepancies vs each side. Some that I keep tabs on are Colorado, Florida, Houston, Minnesota and Toronto.
                      MLB
                      May
                      Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
                      Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
                      Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

                      April
                      Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
                      Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
                      Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

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                      • bluedevil12
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 627

                        #12
                        Oh great, I should have known to check that, good stuff, thanks a lot. BOL tonight.
                        NFL YTD: 83-75-3 (-4.83 U)
                        Spreads: 54-45-2 (+5.95 U)
                        Totals: 22-21-2 (-1.2 U)
                        Moneylines: 5-4 (+2.48 U)
                        Parlays: 1-4 (-10.56 U)
                        Teaser: 0-1 (-1.5 U)

                        NCAAF: 16-8 (+9.26 U)
                        Spreads: 12-8 (+3.3 U)
                        Totals: 3-0 (+3 U)
                        Parlay: 1-0 (+2.96 U)

                        NBA Dec: 13-9-1 (+3.1 U)

                        NCAABB: 29-36-3 (-9.1 U)

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                        • Franchise
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 1289

                          #13
                          Feel free to ask any questions. I'm happy to help and I like to see people's thought both for and more importantly against me. It helps to see an opposing viewpoint to see if I am missing something in how I look at games. GL.
                          MLB
                          May
                          Overall 43-43 +5.5 Units
                          Sides 19-22 -0.0 Units
                          Total 24-21 +5.5 Units

                          April
                          Overall 61-44 +47.1 Units
                          Sides 28-28 +4.0 Units
                          Totals 33-16 +43.1 Units

                          Comment

                          • RamPride
                            Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 496

                            #14
                            Great insight..never realized how resourceful ESPN.com actually is.........been eyeing the pirates all day ...correia has been up and down all year, he looked great against LA in his last outing, but he really doesn't have the stuff to strike anyone out..I feel the pirates at time thrive against pitchers like correia... McDonald IMO has great stuff, and he has the ability to shut down an up and down offense like SD

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                            • Woody12
                              Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 638

                              #15
                              I am going with Pirates too after further review. Had them circled and everytime I don't play somebody that I circled early it bites me...

                              See Arizona and Florida tonight...

                              Nice calls on both it looks like.

                              And on the Cards. If I have to lose money, it makes it better when my team wins.

                              Nice Job today.

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