Mattingly gets dicked, Girardi to get offered Yanks managerial job

[CuseFan10]

I think you'll the Yankees payroll be sizably reduced over the next 2-3 years. Aiding to that obviously will be the influx of young players like Jhoba, Hughes, Cano, Kennedy..etc.

I don't agree with that at all. They still need to get a couple starting pitchers, and are going to have to pay Cano and Wang very soon. They are going to throw boatloads of money at Miguel Cabrera and Johan Santana this next coming offseason, plus they will bring in Torii Hunter or Andruw Jones or someone $15-20 million OF'er to add to to Melky and Matsui and Abreu.

The are going to have to give Mariano an insane contract (3 years $60 million, anyone?) so the Phillies don't get him, and Posada is going to get $12-15 million for 3-4 years too which is crazy considering he;s a catcher and his age.

[FlyersFan]

I don't agree with that at all. .

when have you ever not shredded anyone's arguement or agreed with them...lmao....:beerbang:

[FlyersFan]

just heard it is confirmed Torre to the LAD..........

[CuseFan10]

when have you ever not shredded anyone's arguement or agreed with them...lmao....:beerbang:

I agree with people plenty of times. I just voice that I disagree more often then most people.

[homedawg]

I agree with people plenty of times. I just voice that I disagree more often then most people.

I dont agree with that at all.....:beer2: besides, I dont give a **** who the yanks manager is, they are fallin' apart.... :thumbs: dem arrogant owners, are gonna lose!!!!!!

[Stifler's Mom]

What I'd like to know is why they give a **** if over the hill Mariano Rivera signs an out of control contract with someone else?

He's clearly not the pitcher he used to be. Still good, but not worth the money it seems he will command. If you can get him back at a fair price, then fine....if not, goodbye.

Signings like that are the reason the Yanks continue to lose with the highest payroll in baseball IMO.

Seems like from what I'm hearing, Girardi has a plan to move on past some of these overpaid fossils though. Guess time will tell if he's allowed to execute it or not, or if Steinbrenner will just insist on signing guys like Roger Clemens to 20 million dollar deals to pitch like 8 games :laughing:

[FlyersFan]

What I'd like to know is why they give a **** if over the hill Mariano Rivera signs an out of control contract with someone else?

He's clearly not the pitcher he used to be. Still good, but not worth the money it seems he will command. If you can get him back at a fair price, then fine....if not, goodbye.

Signings like that are the reason the Yanks continue to lose with the highest payroll in baseball IMO.

Seems like from what I'm hearing, Girardi has a plan to move on past some of these overpaid fossils though. Guess time will tell if he's allowed to execute it or not, or if Steinbrenner will just insist on signing guys like Roger Clemens to 20 million dollar deals to pitch like 8 games :laughing:

Overpaid fossil is a good way to put it. You have to laugh. The Yankees will probably want Mike Stanton back in about 3 years when he is 44 years old, as they look at what he did for them back in '96 vs. the Rangers.......:laughing:

The one thing i will say about Boston is that i don't think (other than crapsusaka) that they grossly overpaid for anyone. Lowell, Ortiz, Schilling, Beckett and Ramirez all pulled their weight in the playoffs. Plus they did have young guys like youkilous, pedroia and ellsbury that contributed. BOS is just as big a joke as NYY when it comes to their payroll and trying to buy a championship, but at least they made some good decisions on who to give tons of money to.

[NittanyLions94]

Joe Torre, one of the most overrated managers of our lifetime or THE most overrated manager of our lifetime. Discuss.

[FlyersFan]

Joe Torre, one of the most overrated managers of our lifetime or THE most overrated manager of our lifetime. Discuss.

I think Tony Larussa is the most overrated manager in the history of baseball, myself. He has done less with more than anyone i can think of. He got swept by the Reds in 1990 and the Dodgers in 1988. At least Phil Jackson won when he had the best talent. Too much is made of "managing" moves in games like all the lefty righty bullshiat. Larussa has managed himself right out of games multiple times.

As for Torre, i think he is a good manager. Would he have had the same success managing my Reds for the past 12 years....seriously doubt it. I put him in the Phil Jackson category....always had some of the best talent. But then again, you have to still win with it and there have been plenty of managers/coaches who have done less with more in sports, that is for sure.

[coreyschucky]

Joe Torre is one of the greatest clubhouse managers but as a tactician in baseball he is not good. I really can't think of any managers that could coach that clubhouse, owner and media market.

[GamblinMan03]

Joe Torre is one of the greatest clubhouse managers but as a tactician in baseball he is not good. I really can't think of any managers that could coach that clubhouse, owner and media market.

I agree 100% about him being one of the great clubhouse managers. Lets give him a chance the the NL to see what he can do on the field.

[CuseFan10]

I agree 100% about him being one of the great clubhouse managers. Lets give him a chance the the NL to see what he can do on the field.

Umm yea, he managed the Mets, Braves, and Cardinals in some form for a combined 14 years before he managed the Yankees... 5 winning seasons, made the playoffs once with Atlanta in (I think) 1982.

[GamblinMan03]

Umm yea, he managed the Mets, Braves, and Cardinals in some form for a combined 14 years before he managed the Yankees... 5 winning seasons, made the playoffs once with Atlanta in (I think) 1982.

And he has been in NY managing the Yankees for a dozen years so lets give him another chance in the NL before we talk about what he did 15 and 20 years ago in the NL.

[Kevin]

I wanna reiterate something and add to my original post which I was not clear on.

Joe Girardi is a winner with a great attitude and I think he'll make a fine manager.

Im just peaved that the Yanks **** on one of their all time greats and showed no loyalty. I mean ****, I rank Mattingly up there with the Cal Ripken's and Tony Gwynn's of the world that stuck with their team throughout their whole career and there never was any question about their loyalty

Yes, its business and I shouldn't be surprised.

I just recall Don Mattingly being a die hard Yank that would have never considered playing for anybody else.

Seeing him in Dodger blue will be quite bizarre to me. At this point in his life though, maybe its a blessing as his kid supposedly has a huge shot of making it to the big dance with Donnie's new team.

Preston Mattingly was chosen in the first round (31st overall) of the June 2006 MLB draft by the Los Angeles Dodgers and is currently rated as a B- prospect.

I hate the Dodgers but I hope they win it all just to spite the Steinbrenner family. **** you George, Hank and whatever the other brothers name is thats running their circus. I take great pleasure in watching these clowns make an attempt to BUY the best team in baseball and get their wankers caught in their zipper.

What a joke.

[coreyschucky]

And he has been in NY managing the Yankees for a dozen years so lets give him another chance in the NL before we talk about what he did 15 and 20 years ago in the NL.

Different time, different media, different teams, different ownerships. I'm a diehard Met fan and I'll happily admit that NOBODY could have coached the Yankees over the last 12 years and done the job that Torre did. Like I said as a manager of the game of baseball I feel Torre does a horrendous job and it showed over the last few years without Zimmer by his side. Still there is no coach in the game that could have dealt with the NY media, talent, payroll, owner and clubhouse like Torre did.