Does America really want a change?

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Don't forget this:

Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg
break-in "if necessary"; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson;
plotting with a "gangland figure" to murder Howard Hunt to stop him
from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the
Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap "leftist guerillas" at
the 1972 Republican National Convention -- a plan he outlined to the
Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The
murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the
break-ins were.)

A Nixon puppet!

In 1971, after serving in several positions in the Nixon administration, Liddy was moved to Nixon's 1972 campaign, the Committee to Re-elect the President (officially known as "CRP" but to opponents known as CREEP), in order to extend the scope and reach of the White House "Plumbers" unit, which had been created in response to various damaging leaks of information to the press. At CRP, Liddy concocted several plots, some far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democratic opposition. These included firebombing the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. (where classified documents leaked by Daniel Ellsberg were being stored), kidnapping anti-war protest organizers and transporting them to Mexico during the Republican National Convention (which at the time was planned for San Diego), and luring mid-level Democratic campaign officials to a house boat in Baltimore where they would be secretly photographed in compromising positions with call girls. Most of Liddy's ideas were rejected, but a few were given the go ahead by Nixon Administration officials, including the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office. Ellsberg had leaked the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times.[4] At some point, Liddy was instructed to break into the Democratic National Committee offices in the Watergate Hotel.

Brookings Institution

During the administration of President Richard M. Nixon, Brookings was named to Nixon's famous enemies list, due to its criticism of Nixon's domestic and foreign policies. Nixon-administration advisor Charles Colson even proposed firebombing the Brookings Institution and stealing politically damaging documents while firefighters put the fire out!

Jack Anderson

In 1972, in an overlooked nadir of American political history, Anderson was the target of an aborted assassination plot in the White House. Two Nixon administration conspirators admitted under oath they plotted to poison Anderson on orders from White House aide Jeb Magruder. White House "plumbers" G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt met with a CIA operative to discuss the possibilities, including drugging Anderson with LSD, poisoning his aspirin bottle, or staging a fatal mugging. The conspirators were never ordered to proceed, and the plot aborted, when the plotters were arrested as a result of the Watergate break-in. Nixon had long been angry with Anderson, blaming the columnist for his loss of the 1960 presidential election, because of an election-eve story about a secret loan from Howard Hughes to Nixon's brother.

Howard Hunt

Hunt's first assignment for the White House was a covert operation to break into the Los Angeles office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, Dr. Lewis J. Fielding.[13] In July 1971, Fielding had refused an FBI request for psychiatric data on Ellsberg.[14] Hunt and Liddy cased the building in late August.[15] The burglary, on September 3, 1971, was not detected, but no Ellsberg files were found.[16]

Also in the summer of 1971, Colson authorized Hunt to travel to New England to seek potentially scandalous information on Senator Edward Kennedy. Hunt sought and used CIA disguises and other equipment for the project.[17]

Hunt's White House duties included assassinations-related disinformation. In September 1971, Hunt forged and offered to a Life magazine reporter top-secret State Department cables designed to prove that President Kennedy had personally and specifically ordered the assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu.[18] Hunt told the Senate Watergate Committee in 1973 that that he had fabricated the cables to show a link between President Kennedy and the assassination of Diem, a Catholic, to estrange Catholic voters from the Democratic party, after Colson suggested he "might be able to improve upon the record."[19]

According to Seymour Hersh, writing in The New Yorker, Nixon White House tapes show that after presidential candidate George Wallace was shot on May 15, 1972, Nixon and Colson agreed to send Hunt to the Milwaukee home of the gunman, Arthur Bremer, to place McGovern presidential campaign material there. The intention was to link Bremer with the Democrats. Hersh writes that, in a taped conversation, "Nixon is energized and excited by what seems to be the ultimate political dirty trick: the FBI and the Milwaukee police will be convinced, and will tell the world, that the attempted assassination of Wallace had its roots in left-wing Democratic politics." Hunt did not make the trip, however, because the FBI had moved too quickly to seal Bremer's apartment and place it under police guard.[20]

Hunt organized the bugging of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate office building.[21]

A few days after the break-in, Nixon was recorded saying, to H. R. Haldeman, "This fellow Hunt, he knows too damn much."[22]

[V]ery bad, to have this fellow Hunt, ah, you know, ah, it's, he, he knows too damn much and he was involved, we happen to know that. And that it gets out that the whole, this is all involved in the Cuban thing, that it's a fiasco, and it's going to make the FB, ah CIA look bad, it's going to make Hunt look bad, and it's likely to blow the whole, uh, Bay of Pigs thing which we think would be very unfortunate for CIA and for the country at this time, and for American foreign policy, and he just better tough it and lay it on them.[23]

Hunt and fellow operative G. Gordon Liddy, along with the five arrested at the Watergate, were indicted on federal charges three months later.

Hunt's wife, Dorothy, was killed in the December 8, 1972 plane crash of United Airlines Flight 553 in Chicago. Congress, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigated the crash, and found it to be an accident caused by crew error.[24] Over $10,000 in cash was found in Dorothy Hunt's handbag in the wreckage.[25]

Hunt eventually spent 33 months in prison on a conspiracy charge, and said he was bitter that he was sent to jail while Nixon was allowed to resign.

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Anatomy of a Scandal

Posted by Jeffrey Lord on 10.14.08 @ 6:09AM

There is only one word for it.

That word is "scandal."

That scandal is rapidly metastasizing, too. Overtaking you, your family, your business, your kid's education and, last but certainly not least, the entire global economy.

Begin with the scarlet philosophical thread that takes expression from the following people in their own distinctive styles.

William Ayers: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it….The ethics of Communism still appeal to me."

Jeremiah Wright: "God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human."

Jimmy Carter: In a June 16, 1976 presentation to the Democrats' platform committee, Carter promised that America under a Carter administration would help the poor by putting "Greater effort to direct mortgage money into the financing of private housing ."

Bill Clinton and Al Gore: Writing in their 1992 campaign book Putting People First, the two promised if elected they would: "Ease the credit crunch in our inner cities…to prevent redlining (and) require financial institutions to invest in homes in their communities."

Franklin Raines: Like Carter, on this subject Clinton and Gore were as good as their word, installing Clinton Budget Director Franklin Raines to run Fannie Mae and get the job done. Raines did just what he was asked to do. As the New York Times reported on September 30, 1999:

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market."
Barack Obama: "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career."

And last but not least…

ACORN: As Stanley Kurtz over at NRO and Sol Stern of City Journal have both uncovered, a driving force of ACORN -- quite aside from accusations that it has engaged in massive fraud in registering voters -- has been to exert political pressure on banks to give loans to those otherwise unqualified. In the name, of course, of fairness. Reported Stern on ACORN back in 2003:

ACORN's anti-capitalism leads it to deep distrust of capitalism's central instruments -- the banks and other financial institutions that ACORN would class high among those "irresponsible… largest businesses." ACORN loudly campaigns against "predatory lending," "redlining," and other forms of presumed abuse by financial institutions that supposedly hinder the minority poor from getting the capital needed for home buying and business start-ups. As an antidote, ACORN has latched on to a 1977 federal law, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which was aimed at ensuring that banks do not discriminate against poor minority communities. Under its rules, banks must go through a costly process of reporting where and to whom they lend money, to show that they don't discriminate. There are no official penalties for banks that get less than satisfactory ratings from the regulators on this issue. But when banks need approval for mergers or acquisitions, the CRA gives "community groups" the opportunity to lodge complaints against them, alleging suspect lending practices. If there's even the appearance of discrimination, the regulators may put the bank's deal on hold.
How did the banks respond to this political pressure from ACORN to lend money to financially unqualified applicants? Says Stern:

ACORN has developed a lucrative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approvals. Thus we have J. P. Morgan & Company, the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN. This act of generosity and civic-mindedness came, interestingly, just as Morgan was asking bank regulators for approval of a merger with Chase Manhattan. Not to be outdone, Chase also decided to grant more than $200,000 to ACORN.
Stern concludes by quoting one "prominent consultant to the financial industry, who preferred to remain anonymous" as saying this: "The banks know they are being held up, but they are not going to fight over this. They look at it as a cost of doing business."

The cost of doing business. Wow. Remember that the next time you look at what's left of your portfolio.

Paying what amounts to blackmail money to appease the political pressures from ACORN -- while letting ACORN have their way with banks and financial institutions -- has now, incredibly, helped bring millions of Americans -- perhaps you, dear reader -- to the brink of bankruptcy. Stocks, mutual funds, 401k's, pensions, credit -- the financial guts of a family, a business, and in turn the underlying financial foundation of the U.S. government itself -- are now in serious, serious trouble. Entire Wall Street institutions are utterly collapsed. Somewhere Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are surely laughing hysterically.

This is in real part because of ACORN, the self-same organization that is now being investigated for massive voter fraud in key electoral states from Pennsylvania to Nevada. The same organization which Barack Obama himself once counseled in his role as a "community organizer." (You wanted to know what a community organizer does? Look at the condition of your 401k and you will now get it immediately.) And, not to be forgotten, ACORN shares some shade of the philosophical thread that runs in varying hues from the blood red fuses of Bill Ayers bombs to the purple prose of Jeremiah Wright's sermons to the housing policies advocated and implemented by Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore and defended by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and an army of Democrats captured on videotape.


DO YOU GET the picture here? Do you see the thread? William Ayers thought America was so unfair he became a self-described "radical Leftist" who expressed his views on American capitalism by bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. Jeremiah Wright his pulpit to preach that America was so unfair because it treated our own citizens as "less than human." Jimmy Carter was so disturbed at the lack of fairness in the free market he vowed that if he were elected president in 1976 he would put "greater effort" into making sure the government could "direct mortgage money" to housing for the poor. He was as good as his word, getting the Community Reinvestment Act passed in 1977. The purpose of the Carter legislation was to reduce "discriminatory" credit practices affecting the poor. Like clockwork, this in turn opened the door for ACORN. Fannie Mae boss Franklin Raines, the Clinton appointee who walked away from the agency with $90 million, was so intent on making things fair for those "millions of families" unable to buy homes (as Clinton and Gore had promised in 1992) that he reduced "down payment requirements," a key tenet of ACORN.

Here's Stanley Kurtz -- way back in May -- on the findings of his investigation into Barack Obama and ACORN: "Obama's ties to Acorn -- arguably the most politically radical large-scale activist group in the country -- are wide, deep, and longstanding."

In other words, working with ACORN was part of Obama's self-appointed role as a "community organizer." Long before having any association with ACORN had the serious potential, as it now suddenly very much does, of being a political liability, Obama sought and received the endorsement of its political arm for his presidential campaign. These were his old buddies, so, of course, he got it. Why not? After all, in his own words at the time:

"I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work."
Are we clear here? Barack Obama not only was the counsel for ACORN as part of his "community organizer" role he considered "the work you do" important. Said he: "We appreciate your work." He was proud to be "fighting alongside ACORN on issues" it cared about. And what do we now know the results of ACORN's work and its issues to be? Starkly and very simply put they have:

1. Undermined the financial stability of you, your family, your business and your government with a financial collapse unrivaled since the Great Depression.

2. Flooded battleground states in this election with a massive attempt at fraudulent voter registration that is on the verge of stealing the presidency of the United States for Obama.

One question.

WHERE IS JOHN McCAIN?????????

This is a blossoming scandal that will make Watergate look like a piker. And someone has the …pardon me, but the word that comes to mind is "stupidity"….to say that Ayers and Wright and the ideology of what and why they did what they did have no connection to where we are right this minute? Are they kidding? That bright, scarlet philosophical thread that runs straight from the bombs of Bill Ayers to the sermons of Jeremiah Wright to the political shenanigans of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd has gradually revealed itself to be a very long fuse to a spectacular explosion of financial and political scandal. An explosion linking everything from the political blackmail of institutions like J.P. Morgan to the financial manipulations of Franklin Raines and Fannie Mae and stunningly connects to ACORN and Obama himself. Last and certainly not least, this same fuse led directly to the destruction of your personal wealth -- your money -- and is even now poised to steal your votes and destroy the possibility of an honest election.

Two points:

* If the McCain campaign cannot connect all these dots for voters -- in the last debate, on the stump, in its commercials and with its surrogates -- this will go down in history as a spectacular example of political malpractice.

* Second, and without question of more importance. If in fact this election produces a majority for Obama from voters who do not yet see the connection between ACORN, Obama, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Fannie Mae and the resulting status of their own personal financial well-being and that of, quite literally, the entire global economy, there are two words for the day after an Obama election. With a tip of the hat to Ben Stein they are these:

Special Prosecutor.

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Ohio ACORN Hiring Canvassers To Help Obama
Submitted by Jeff on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:22pm.
An announcement from Ohio ACORN political director Mari Engelhardt:


GOTV for Obama! Ohio ACORN is doing a Get Out The Vote project with the OBAMA Campaign. Ohio ACORN is hiring canvassers to go door to door encouraging voters to vote for Barack Obama.

ACORN is hiring in Cleveland (216)431-3905, Columbus (614)425-9491, Cincinnati (513)221-1737, for Dayton (call Cincinnati), and for Toledo call Cleveland. Or email polnatoh@acorn.org and your inquiry will be routed to the appropriate person in each of these cities. Intake and training will be held daily at local ACORN offices. Canvass begins on Wednesday Feb. 27th and will work through election day. Please, only persons wishing to work all or most of these days (Saturday and Sunday included) should inquire.

Please do not contact the Obama campaign directly regarding this post as they are not the organization doing the hiring and it will only distract their staff and volunteers from the other important work they are doing on behalf of Senator Obama.

Ohio ACORN Hiring Canvassers To Help Obama

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Sorry HOMEDAWG got one for Dan and all the Obama supporters.

Pull out of Iraq?!?!

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?

Body count:

In the last six months:

292 killed
(murdered) in Chicago;

221 killed in Iraq.

Chicago…. Who Runs it: Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin

Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr.,

Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich,

Illinois House leader Mike Madigan,

Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

…..our leadership in Illinois…..all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.

Of course, they’re all blaming each other!

Can’t blame Republicans; they’re aren’t any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County
(Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look ‘em up if you want).

Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

And he’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us?

Wake Up America!

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Look at this:

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961.

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954

Cincinnati, OH (3rd) .. since 1984

Cleveland, OH (4th) .. since 1989

Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor

St. Louis, MO (6th) .. since 1949

El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor

Milwaukee, WI (8th) .. since 1908

Philadelphia, PA (9th) .. since 1952

Newark, NJ (10th) .. since 1907

Einstein once said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.’

It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats yet are still disadvantaged.

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John McCain's Terrorist Connections


John McCain has made the distant connections from years ago between Barack Obama and "unrepentant terrorist" Bill Ayers a centerpiece of the McCain-Palin campaign.

But McCain has much closer, more direct, and more recent connections to terrorists who committed acts far worse than Ayers, yet McCain's links to "unrepentant terrorists" are completely ignored by the media. And although Obama has forcefully condemned the past actions of Ayers, John McCain has never denounced his terrorist friends.

In the 1980s, McCain personally funded a guerrilla group (the Contras) that engaged in terrorist acts. Just last year, McCain expressed how "proud" he was of an ex-felon who urged shooting law enforcement agents in the head (G. Gordon Liddy). And earlier this year, the McCain campaign trumpeted the endorsement of a man who illegally provided weapons and money to terrorists; when a reporter questioned this, the McCain campaign refused to even criticize this criminal (Oliver North).

In February 1988, the Washington Post reported that McCain personally (and relatively "recently") gave the Contras $400.

No one can doubt that acts of terror were committed by the Contras. Human Rights Watch concluded in 1989 that "the Contras were major and systematic violators of the most basic standards of the laws of armed conflict, including by launching indiscriminate attacks on civilians, selectively murdering non-combatants, and mistreating prisoners." Human Rights Watch also criticized acts of terror by the Sandinista government, but called the Contras "a force that has shown itself incapable of operating without consistently committing gross abuses in violation of the laws of war."

Here are some eyewitness reports of the terrorism committed by the Contras:

They took out their knives and stuck them under his fingernails. After they took his fingernails off, then they broke his elbows. Afterwards they gouged out his eyes. Then they took their bayonets and made all sorts of slices in his skin all around his chest, arms, and legs. They then took his hair off and the skin of his scalp. When they saw there was nothing left to do with him, they threw gasoline on him and burned him. The next day they started the same thing with a 13 year old girl. They did more or less the same, but they did other things to her too. First, she was utilized, raped by all the officers. They stripped her and threw her in a small room, they went in one by one. Afterwards they took her out tied and blindfolded. Then they began the same mutilating, pulling her fingernails out and cutting off her fingers, breaking her arms, gouging out her eyes and all they did to the other fellow. They cut her legs and stuck an iron rod into her womb.

Rosa had her breasts cut off. Then they cut into her chest and took out her heart. The men had their arms broken and their testicles cut off and their eyes poked out. They were then killed by slitting their throats and pulling the tongue out through the slit.


A congressional committee confirmed at the time that the Contras "raped, tortured and killed unarmed civilians, including children" and that "groups of civilians, including pregnant women and children were burned, dismembered, blinded and beheaded."

Harold Pinter recalled the testimony of Father John Metcalf:

I am in charge of a parish in the north of Nicaragua. My parishioners built a school, a health centre, a cultural centre. We have lived in peace. A few months ago a Contra force attacked the parish. They destroyed everything: the school, the health centre, the cultural centre. They raped nurses and teachers, slaughtered doctors, in the most brutal manner. They behaved like savages. Please demand that the US government withdraw its support from this shocking terrorist activity.


And no one can doubt that McCain knew about these acts of terror when he was publicly funding them. On February 10, 1987, the New York Times noted that a 170-page report by Americas Watch determined about the Contras, "They still engage in selective but systematic killing of persons they perceive as representing the Government, in indiscriminate attacks against civilians or in disregard for their safety, and in outrages against the personal dignity of prisoners. The Contras also engage in widespread kidnapping of civilians, apparently for purposes of recruitment as well as intimidation." The report noted, "The escalating brutality of Contra practices leads Americas Watch to conclude that disregard for the rights of civilians has become a de facto policy of the Contra forces."

McCain also must have known that the Contras were engaged in drug smuggling while he was handing them money. On August 5, 1987, the CIA Central American Task Force chief testified before the Iran-Contra Committee about the Contra drug trafficking: "It is not a couple of people. It is a lot of people."(pdf, p. 38)

In addition to his personal support for the Contras, McCain has a supporter who is far more of a terrorist supporter than Bill Ayers. His name is Oliver North. Ayers was never convicted for any crime, and there's no evidence he ever killed anyone. North, by Contrast, was convicted (he got away with it because his testimony to Congress provided him with immunity).

There can be no doubt about North's connection to terrorism. Under the direction of North, the US covertly sold $48 million in battlefield missiles and other weapons to Iran, even though Iran was classified by the US government as a sponsor of international terrorism. North then illegally used some of this money to help finance the Contras.

So what is the McCain campaign's position toward this terrorist supporter? Have they denounced his views? No, McCain's own campaign website promotes the endorsement of him by North. McCain also supported North's 1994 campaign for the US Senate in Virginia.

The Washington Post blog did ask the McCain campaign, "Is McCain pleased to receive North's endorsement, given the fact that the failed GOP senatorial candidate was convicted in 1989 of shredding documents, accepting an illegal gratuity and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress?" The McCain campaign declined to criticize North or remove their link to his endorsement: "We'll let the comments in the release stand," wrote spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker in an e-mail.

Obviously, McCain has no regrets about supporting the Contras. McCain named Otto Reich as his adviser on Latin American issues, even though Reich was involved in the Iran-Contra scandal. In the mid-1980s, Reich ran the U.S. Office of Public Diplomacy and illegally coordinated with the CIA to run a "White Propaganda" campaign planting bogus op-eds written by his speechwriters in newspapers. In 1987, the Republican Comptroller-General formally found that Reich had broken the law. As ambassador to Venezuela, Reich arranged the release and asylum of Cuban-American terrorist Orlando Bosch, who had planted a bomb on a Cuban airliner in 1976, killing all 73 people on board.

McCain's connections to G. Gordon Liddy are even closer and more disturbing. Liddy, of course, is famous as an ex-felon convicted for his role as a mastermind in the Watergate break-ins and cover-up. Less well known is the fact that Liddy proposed to kidnap anti-war activists in 1972 and even plotted the murder of a newspaper columnist deemed unfriendly.

If his criminal activity helped bring down a president weren't bad enough, Liddy actually advocated terrorist acts, too. In 1994, Liddy advised listeners to his radio show to kill federal law enforcement agents: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

Despite this public advocacy of terrorism, McCain appeared at Liddy's home for a fundraiser Liddy organized for him in 1998. Liddy has given McCain $5,000 during his various campaigns, including $1,000 in 2007. McCain has never refused the money. Less than a year ago, McCain appeared on Liddy's radio show (where Liddy greeted him as an "old friend") and McCain told Liddy, "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family. It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

No one imagines that John McCain's connections to terrorism should automatically disqualify him from the presidency or should even be a major factor in the election, when questions about the economy, health care, and foreign wars loom much more prominently.

But John McCain's character does matter. And unlike the attacks on Obama and Ayers, McCain's terrorist connections have an important policy dimension. No one imagines that Obama is going to implement a policy of covert symbolic bombings in America as Ayers did, and Obama has strongly condemned what Ayers did decades ago.

However, McCain has never condemned the Contras or Oliver North or G. Gordon Liddy, and that raises many policy questions. Would McCain ever allow a Watergate-style criminal ring in his White House? Would he ever sell weapons to a regime engaged in supporting terrorism? Would he illegally engage in covert propaganda aimed at Amricans? Would he ever try to secretly fund a guerrilla force committing acts of terror? Unlike the guilt-by-association smears against Obama, McCain's friendship with terrorists is more than just a character issue. McCain needs to answer these questions about critical errors of judgment committed by past Republican administrations, since his terrorist associations suggest that he might endorse these terrible mistakes and be prone to repeat them.

The questions about Obama and Ayers have been asked and answered and analyzed in depth many times before. But John McCain still hasn't answered any questions about his terrorist connections. And the media have almost entirely ignored all of McCain's friends who are "unrepentant terrorists."

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John McCain's Terrorist Connections


However, McCain has never condemned the Contras or Oliver North or G. Gordon Liddy, and that raises many policy questions. Would McCain ever allow a Watergate-style criminal ring in his White House? Would he ever sell weapons to a regime engaged in supporting terrorism? Would he illegally engage in covert propaganda aimed at Amricans? Would he ever try to secretly fund a guerrilla force committing acts of terror? Unlike the guilt-by-association smears against Obama, McCain's friendship with terrorists is more than just a character issue. McCain needs to answer these questions about critical errors of judgment committed by past Republican administrations, since his terrorist associations suggest that he might endorse these terrible mistakes and be prone to repeat them.

Now this part about the policies I disagree with b/c I think it's crazy but the questions about his past should be brought up just like Obama's is.

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“Kill Your Parents”! And Don’t Forget To Vote!


Ipso facto, The Deep Connections between Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Unrepentant Terrorist Bill Ayers Are Established
It is critical to read below the fold, where you will see these three paragraphs:

[Bill] Ayers will be joined by Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the University of Chicago Law School, who is working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Chicago; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent 7 years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher in the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher in the Detention Center. […]

At the end of this SAME PRESS RELEASE are these two paragraphs that put Bill Ayers in the same program, the same views on criminal justice, and the same physical location as Michelle Obama — as well as Barack Obama:

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University of Chicago Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

“We know that issues like juvenile justice impact each of us who live in the city of Chicago. This panel gives community members and students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it.”

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November 4, 1997, The University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois




Here is the text of the University of Chicago press release dated November 4, 1997:

Should a child ever be called a “super predator?”

A panel at the University of Chicago debates the merits of the juvenile justice system

Children who kill are called “super predators,” “people with no conscience,” “feral pre-social beings”–and “adults.”

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court(Beacon Press, 1997), says “We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn’t suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?”

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop of the Reynolds Club, 5706 S. University Ave.

The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center’s monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago.

The event is free and open to the public.

Ayers will be joined by Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the University of Chicago Law School, who is working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system; Randolph Stone, Director of the Mandel Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Chicago; Alex Correa, a reformed juvenile offender who spent 7 years in Cook County Temporary Detention Center; Frank Tobin, a former priest and teacher in the Detention Center who helped Correa; and Willy Baldwin, who grew up in public housing and is currently a teacher in the Detention Center.

The juvenile justice system was founded by Chicago reformer Jane Addams, who advocated the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a “kind and just parent” for children in crisis.

One hundred years later, the system is “overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist,” Ayers said.

Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University of Chicago Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community.

“We know that issues like juvenile justice impact each of us who live in the city of Chicago. This panel gives community members and students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it.”

FACT CHECK

Obama claim:

STEPHANOPOLOUS: Can you explain that relationship [with William Ayers] for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?

OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.

The fact is that I’m also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who, during his campaign, once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn’s statements? Because I certainly don’t agree with those, either.

So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that. They’re not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn’t.

Facts:

Michelle Obama scheduled a round table with Barack Obama and Bill Ayers at The University of Chicago in 1997
The round table and the press release connect Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Bill Ayers
Barack Obama, Michelle Obama and Bill Ayers exchanged ideas before, after and during the round table Michelle Obama organized
Barack Obama and Bill Ayers collaborated during this conference, and their exchange of ideas informed Obama’s opposition to the Juvenile Justice Reform Act in the Illinois General Assembly in 1997
This exchange of ideas reveals that Ayers’s governing philosophy is reflective of Obama’s views; indeed, Ayers’s philosophy shaped and determined Obama’s views
Obama’s relationship to Ayers is anything but flimsy
Obama lied during the Philadelphia debate
One of Obama’s present votes in 1999 in the Illinois state Senate on juvenile justice legislation is also a result of his 1997 collaboration and collusion with Bill Ayers
Obama’s legislative activity in Illinois can be tied to his intellectual relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers
How does the Obama campaign account for this official University of Chicago press release? And does Michelle Obama also share Bill Ayers’s ideas? It appears she does.

Michelle and Barack Obama have deep and controversial ties to Bill Ayers the Weather Underground terrorist and bomber.

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Barack Obama's Skeleton Closet!

#1-Obama was not born in the U.S.A./ not a U.S. citizen

Obama's Birth Certificate:

The ORIGINAL birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website:

- The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
- It isn't signed.
- No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
- In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
- The certificate number is blacked out.
- The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
- The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."
- The document doesn't show father's full name!
- The document shows the father's race as: African?

Obama Crimes

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#2 Obama Was Born, Raised, Is a Muslim

-Obama was born to Generations of Muslims

-Obama was raised for years in Muslim Nations

-Obama attended Muslim schools, where he was registered as a Muslim

-Obama wants you to believe that his opportunistic conversion to Christianity after being born to generations of Muslims who raised him for years in Muslim nations where he attended Muslim schools has completely eliminated his Islamic Roots and changed his Muslim sympathies.

-Obama’s church of 20 years gave many awards to the radical, anti-white, pro-Islamic, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

-Obama has been praised and endorsed by the Islamic terrorist group Hamas

-Obama has been praised and endorsed by Palestinian Rashid Khalidi, who also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

-Obama has praised and endorsed, in his autobiography, the founder first President of Nation of Islam President Malcom X

-Brother: Muslim ”Obama’s brother Roy opted for Islam over Christianity, as the Senator recounted in his book when describing his 1992 wedding. “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol.”Abongo “argues that the black man must “liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.” He urged his younger brother to embrace his African heritage.

-Sister: Muslim In an interview with the New York Times, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half sister, told the Times, “I don’t want to deny Islam. I think it’s obviously very important that we have an understanding of Islam ... my brother has been a Christian for (only) 20 years.

-Father: Muslim Obama Sr. (Senior) was born in Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya.

-Step Father: Muslim Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo ws a devout Muslim and Obama went to Mosque on Fridays with him.

-Mother: Muslim The evidence seems to quite clearly show that both Ann Dunham and her husband Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo were in fact devout Muslims themselves and they raised their son as such.”

-Grandfather: lived for a time in Zanzibar, where he converted from Christianity to Islam. He was one of the first Muslim converts in his village.
Grandfather, for whom Obama was given the middle name, Hussein, was "fiercely devoted to Islam." He had at least 3 wives: Helima, who had no children, Akuma who gave birth to Sarah Obama, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. and Auma Obama.

-Obama’s teachers and the principal from the 1970's: Obama actively took part in the Islamic religious lessons during his years at his school in Muslim Indonesia. “I remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran)” “The actual usage of the word ‘mengaji’ in Indonesian and Malaysian societies means the study of learning to recite the Quran in the Arabic language rather than the native tongue. “Mengagi” is a word and a term that is accorded the highest value and status in the mindset of fundamentalist societies here in Southeast Asia. To put it quite simply, ‘mengaji classes’ are not something that a non practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to. To put this in a Christian context, this is something above and beyond simply enrolling your child in Sunday school classes.”

-The Obama Campaign: told the LA Times he wasn’t a “practicing Muslim.” (3/14/2007).

- Obama states his "Muslim Faith". Obama acknowledged his Islamic Heritage Sunday, September 7, 2008 during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week", speaking of "My Muslim Faith".


The Obama File
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#3 Obama's association with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground.

-Despite having authored two autobiographies, Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

-The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

-Documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago

- In early 1995, Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.

-Obama has misrepresented his relationship with Ayers to the press and someone blocked access to the records detailing the workings of the group founded by Ayers and chaired by Obama.

The Real Barack Obama
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#4 Obama's relationship with Tony "slum landlord" Rezko

-They met in 1990. Obama was a student at Harvard Law School and got an unsolicited job offer from Rezko, then a low-income housing developer in Chicago. Obama turned it down.

-Obama took a job in 1993 with a small Chicago law firm, Davis Miner Barnhill, that represents developers -- primarily not-for-profit groups -- building low-income housing with government funds.

-One of the firm's not-for-profit clients -- the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., co-founded by Obama's then-boss Allison Davis -- was partners with Rezko's company in a 1995 deal to convert an abandoned nursing home at 61st and Drexel into low-income apartments. Altogether, Obama spent 32 hours on the project, according to the firm. Only five hours of that came after Rezko and WPIC became partners, the firm says. The rest of the future senator's time was helping WPIC strike the deal with Rezko. Rezko's company, Rezmar Corp., also partnered with the firm's clients in four later deals -- none of which involved Obama, according to the firm. In each deal, Rezmar "made the decisions for the joint venture," says William Miceli, an attorney with the firm.

-In 1995, Obama began campaigning for a seat in the Illinois Senate. Among his earliest supporters: Rezko. Two Rezko companies donated a total of $2,000. Obama was elected in 1996 -- representing a district that included 11 of Rezko's 30 low-income housing projects.

-Rezko's low-income housing empire began crumbling in 2001, when his company stopped making mortgage payments on the old nursing home that had been converted into apartments. The state foreclosed on the building -- which was in Obama's Illinois Senate district.

-In 2003, Obama announced he was running for the U.S. Senate, and Rezko -- a member of his campaign finance committee -- held a lavish fund-raiser June 27, 2003, at his Wilmette mansion.

-A few months after Obama became a U.S. senator, he and Rezko's wife, Rita, bought adjacent pieces of property from a doctor in Chicago's Kenwood neighborhood -- a deal that has dogged Obama the last two years. The doctor sold the mansion to Obama for $1.65 million -- $300,000 below the asking price. Rezko's wife paid full price -- $625,000 -- for the adjacent vacant lot. The deals closed in June 2005. Six months later, Obama paid Rezko's wife $104,500 for a strip of her land, so he could have a bigger yard. At the time, it had been widely reported that Tony Rezko was under federal investigation. Questioned later about the timing of the Rezko deal, Obama called it "boneheaded" because people might think the Rezkos had done him a favor.

-Eight months later -- in October 2006 -- Rezko was indicted on charges he solicited kickbacks from companies seeking state pension business under his friend Gov. Blagojevich. Federal prosecutors maintain that $10,000 from the alleged kickback scheme was donated to Obama's run for the U.S. Senate. Obama has given the money to charity.

-Using his elected office and his clout, Obama helped Tony Rezko and other unscrupulous low-income housing developers obtain millions of dollars in state grants, tax credits, low-interest loans, and regulatory advantages.
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#5 Obama and Corruption in ACORN


-Obama and ACORN, Fellow Travelers. “ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community organizing days.

-Obama Formerly Represented ACORN, Taught Classes For Future Leaders Of ACORN

- Obama Worked As Executive Director Of ACORN’s Voter-Registration Arm, Project Vote.

-Obama Was Part Of Team Of Lawyers Who Represented ACORN In A Suit Against The State Of Illinois.

-ACORN's Political Action Committee Endorsed Obama.

-Obama's Campaign Paid Over $800,000 To ACORN For Get-Out-The-Vote Efforts

-Obama Praised ACORN For Being A Good Ally



The Real Barack Obama

BarackBook

Welcome to NOBAMA

NObama - Not Now, Not Ever

HELL NObama.

Obama WTF
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MORE TRUTH, TO COME!

Obama's "A" List

Rev Wright
Tony Rezko
Michelle Obama
Louis Farrakhan
William Ayres
Bernadine Dorhn
Rashid Khalidi
Nadhmi Auchi
Frank Marshall Davis
Saul Alinsky
Kwame Kilpatrick
Rev Meeks
George Soros
Raila Odingo
Abongo Obama
Black Panthers
Ludacris
Jim Johnson
Franklin Raines
Ahmad Yousuf (Hamas)
Fidel, Raul Castro
Hugo Chavez
Daniel Ortega
Kim Jong Il
Al Mansour
Pfleiger Capers Funnye
Muhammad Hasa Chandoo
Wahid Hamid
Valerie Jarret
Robert Malley

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Barack Obama's Friends

Ali Abunimah

ACORN

Aiham Alsammarae

Nadhmi Auchi

David Axelrod

William Ayers

Hunter Biden

Joe Biden

Robert Blackwell Jr.

Governor Rod Blagojevich

Steve Branchflower

Joseph Cari

Frank Clark

Gregory Craig

Lester Crown

Mayor Richard M. Daley

Allison Davis

Frank Marshall Davis

Chris Dodd

Kim Elton

Rep. Rahm Emanuel

Jodie Evans

Hollis French

Alexi Giannoulias

Howard Gutman

Eric Holder

Valerie Jarrett

Jim Johnson

Emil Jones

Rashid Khalidi

Marilyn Katz

Kwame Kilpatrick

Larry Lessig

Walter Monegan

Martin Nesbitt

Federico Peña

Penny Pritzker

Franklin Raines

Antoin "Tony" Rezko

John W. Rogers Jr.

SEIU

Dan Shomon

Todd Stroger

Madeline Talbott

Dorothy J. Tillman

Unnamed Philadelphia Street Organizer

Unnamed UBS Broker

Larry Walsh

Dr. Eric Whitaker

David Wilhelm

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Now this part about the policies I disagree with b/c I think it's crazy but the questions about his past should be brought up just like Obama's is.

You are still posting in this thread without researching? Why not start another thread for that? TIA :beerbang:

I Have researched everything I have posted! :thumbs:

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Anatomy of a Scandal

Posted by Jeffrey Lord on 10.14.08 @ 6:09AM

There is only one word for it.

That word is "scandal."

That scandal is rapidly metastasizing, too. Overtaking you, your family, your business, your kid's education and, last but certainly not least, the entire global economy.

Begin with the scarlet philosophical thread that takes expression from the following people in their own distinctive styles.

William Ayers: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it….The ethics of Communism still appeal to me."

Jeremiah Wright: "God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human."

Jimmy Carter: In a June 16, 1976 presentation to the Democrats' platform committee, Carter promised that America under a Carter administration would help the poor by putting "Greater effort to direct mortgage money into the financing of private housing ."

Bill Clinton and Al Gore: Writing in their 1992 campaign book Putting People First, the two promised if elected they would: "Ease the credit crunch in our inner cities…to prevent redlining (and) require financial institutions to invest in homes in their communities."

Franklin Raines: Like Carter, on this subject Clinton and Gore were as good as their word, installing Clinton Budget Director Franklin Raines to run Fannie Mae and get the job done. Raines did just what he was asked to do. As the New York Times reported on September 30, 1999:

''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market."
Barack Obama: "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career."

And last but not least…

ACORN: As Stanley Kurtz over at NRO and Sol Stern of City Journal have both uncovered, a driving force of ACORN -- quite aside from accusations that it has engaged in massive fraud in registering voters -- has been to exert political pressure on banks to give loans to those otherwise unqualified. In the name, of course, of fairness. Reported Stern on ACORN back in 2003:

ACORN's anti-capitalism leads it to deep distrust of capitalism's central instruments -- the banks and other financial institutions that ACORN would class high among those "irresponsible… largest businesses." ACORN loudly campaigns against "predatory lending," "redlining," and other forms of presumed abuse by financial institutions that supposedly hinder the minority poor from getting the capital needed for home buying and business start-ups. As an antidote, ACORN has latched on to a 1977 federal law, the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which was aimed at ensuring that banks do not discriminate against poor minority communities. Under its rules, banks must go through a costly process of reporting where and to whom they lend money, to show that they don't discriminate. There are no official penalties for banks that get less than satisfactory ratings from the regulators on this issue. But when banks need approval for mergers or acquisitions, the CRA gives "community groups" the opportunity to lodge complaints against them, alleging suspect lending practices. If there's even the appearance of discrimination, the regulators may put the bank's deal on hold.
How did the banks respond to this political pressure from ACORN to lend money to financially unqualified applicants? Says Stern:

ACORN has developed a lucrative niche as an "advisor" to banks seeking regulatory approvals. Thus we have J. P. Morgan & Company, the legatee of the man who once symbolized for many all that was supposedly evil about American capitalism, suddenly donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to ACORN. This act of generosity and civic-mindedness came, interestingly, just as Morgan was asking bank regulators for approval of a merger with Chase Manhattan. Not to be outdone, Chase also decided to grant more than $200,000 to ACORN.
Stern concludes by quoting one "prominent consultant to the financial industry, who preferred to remain anonymous" as saying this: "The banks know they are being held up, but they are not going to fight over this. They look at it as a cost of doing business."

The cost of doing business. Wow. Remember that the next time you look at what's left of your portfolio.

Paying what amounts to blackmail money to appease the political pressures from ACORN -- while letting ACORN have their way with banks and financial institutions -- has now, incredibly, helped bring millions of Americans -- perhaps you, dear reader -- to the brink of bankruptcy. Stocks, mutual funds, 401k's, pensions, credit -- the financial guts of a family, a business, and in turn the underlying financial foundation of the U.S. government itself -- are now in serious, serious trouble. Entire Wall Street institutions are utterly collapsed. Somewhere Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are surely laughing hysterically.

This is in real part because of ACORN, the self-same organization that is now being investigated for massive voter fraud in key electoral states from Pennsylvania to Nevada. The same organization which Barack Obama himself once counseled in his role as a "community organizer." (You wanted to know what a community organizer does? Look at the condition of your 401k and you will now get it immediately.) And, not to be forgotten, ACORN shares some shade of the philosophical thread that runs in varying hues from the blood red fuses of Bill Ayers bombs to the purple prose of Jeremiah Wright's sermons to the housing policies advocated and implemented by Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore and defended by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and an army of Democrats captured on videotape.


DO YOU GET the picture here? Do you see the thread? William Ayers thought America was so unfair he became a self-described "radical Leftist" who expressed his views on American capitalism by bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. Jeremiah Wright his pulpit to preach that America was so unfair because it treated our own citizens as "less than human." Jimmy Carter was so disturbed at the lack of fairness in the free market he vowed that if he were elected president in 1976 he would put "greater effort" into making sure the government could "direct mortgage money" to housing for the poor. He was as good as his word, getting the Community Reinvestment Act passed in 1977. The purpose of the Carter legislation was to reduce "discriminatory" credit practices affecting the poor. Like clockwork, this in turn opened the door for ACORN. Fannie Mae boss Franklin Raines, the Clinton appointee who walked away from the agency with $90 million, was so intent on making things fair for those "millions of families" unable to buy homes (as Clinton and Gore had promised in 1992) that he reduced "down payment requirements," a key tenet of ACORN.

Here's Stanley Kurtz -- way back in May -- on the findings of his investigation into Barack Obama and ACORN: "Obama's ties to Acorn -- arguably the most politically radical large-scale activist group in the country -- are wide, deep, and longstanding."

In other words, working with ACORN was part of Obama's self-appointed role as a "community organizer." Long before having any association with ACORN had the serious potential, as it now suddenly very much does, of being a political liability, Obama sought and received the endorsement of its political arm for his presidential campaign. These were his old buddies, so, of course, he got it. Why not? After all, in his own words at the time:

"I come out of a grassroots organizing background. That's what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That's the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work."
Are we clear here? Barack Obama not only was the counsel for ACORN as part of his "community organizer" role he considered "the work you do" important. Said he: "We appreciate your work." He was proud to be "fighting alongside ACORN on issues" it cared about. And what do we now know the results of ACORN's work and its issues to be? Starkly and very simply put they have:

1. Undermined the financial stability of you, your family, your business and your government with a financial collapse unrivaled since the Great Depression.

2. Flooded battleground states in this election with a massive attempt at fraudulent voter registration that is on the verge of stealing the presidency of the United States for Obama.

One question.

WHERE IS JOHN McCAIN?????????

This is a blossoming scandal that will make Watergate look like a piker. And someone has the …pardon me, but the word that comes to mind is "stupidity"….to say that Ayers and Wright and the ideology of what and why they did what they did have no connection to where we are right this minute? Are they kidding? That bright, scarlet philosophical thread that runs straight from the bombs of Bill Ayers to the sermons of Jeremiah Wright to the political shenanigans of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd has gradually revealed itself to be a very long fuse to a spectacular explosion of financial and political scandal. An explosion linking everything from the political blackmail of institutions like J.P. Morgan to the financial manipulations of Franklin Raines and Fannie Mae and stunningly connects to ACORN and Obama himself. Last and certainly not least, this same fuse led directly to the destruction of your personal wealth -- your money -- and is even now poised to steal your votes and destroy the possibility of an honest election.

Two points:

* If the McCain campaign cannot connect all these dots for voters -- in the last debate, on the stump, in its commercials and with its surrogates -- this will go down in history as a spectacular example of political malpractice.

* Second, and without question of more importance. If in fact this election produces a majority for Obama from voters who do not yet see the connection between ACORN, Obama, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Fannie Mae and the resulting status of their own personal financial well-being and that of, quite literally, the entire global economy, there are two words for the day after an Obama election. With a tip of the hat to Ben Stein they are these:

Special Prosecutor.

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Obama: "Spread the wealth around"

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You are still posting in this thread without researching? Why not start another thread for that? TIA :beerbang:

I Have researched everything I have posted! :thumbs:

Oh I'm sorry you still think Obama isn't a US citizen. That's right I forgot you researched that one profusely.

Part 1:

Now making the Internet rounds is a posting questioning whether McCain's presumptive Democratic opponent, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen and therefore constitutionally qualified to be president. I suppose it was only a matter of time.

Anyway, this particular post, whose authorship is unclear, suggests that Obama is "not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen under to the law on the books at the time of his birth...". According to the poster, if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, the citizen-parent "must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, of course, was not an American citizen, having been born in Kenya. That leaves his mother, who was a natural-born citizen, but who was only 18 when Obama was born, on August 4, 1961. In the poster's opinion, Obama fails the constitutional test because his citizen-mother had not resided in the U.S. for five years after the age of 16--not old enough, at the time of Obama's birth, "to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship."

Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.

"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.

But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.

According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"

"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."

But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.

Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.

"All that matters is that the child is born here, " Gotcher says. "This is the reason that you are hearing so much fuss in Congress about changing the law that grants 'birthright citizenship.'" But even such a law, however unlikely to pass, would not be retroactive. If Barack Obama wins the presidential election he can begin choosing the furniture for the Oval Office without watching for immigration agents over his shoulder..

Part 2 from Factcheck.org a resource multiple news outlets have been using this political season to check the facts from both sides:

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

* The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
* It isn't signed.
* No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
* In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
* The certificate number is blacked out.
* The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
* The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.






You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.



Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.