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**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by TheCaymanIslands

I would have no complaints if Duke was just left out of the tourney alltogether. :beerbang:

Sorry, were not uCONn. Difference between our down years is that Duke gets a 6 seed and uCONn doesnt even make the NIT tourny. Couldnt happen to a better coach than the one in Connecticut.

**Skinsfan** · 03-12-2007, 03:01 PM

Duke lost 7 of its final 11 games.... They should NOT be on the same level as Notre Dame and Louisville, who both finished the season lights out... but I think this is more a matter of Notre Dame and Louisville being slighted than Duke being too high... maybe a 7 would be more fitting.... any other team with the same resume but without DUKE on their jersey would be a 7 or 8.

**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Skinsfan

Duke lost 7 of its final 11 games.... They should NOT be on the same level as Notre Dame and Louisville, who both finished the season lights out... but I think this is more a matter of Notre Dame and Louisville being slighted than Duke being too high... maybe a 7 would be more fitting.... any other team with the same resume but without DUKE on their jersey would be a 7 or 8.

Yet Marquette loses 5 of their final 8 games and everyone thinks they got robbed. lol, I just dont see it.

Marquette and ND should be fives. There is no doubting that but my point is Duke is not in the same class as the 8 and 9 seeds that I listed above. They have been much better than those teams all season long.

You really think we have been in the same class as Purdue all year? That is what most are saying because of their hatred for Duke, I think its hilarious.

The outrage, haha.

**Stifler's Mom** · 03-12-2007, 03:07 PM

I personally have no idea why Duke is a #6, while Nova is a #9, Marquette is a #8, etc....

Well, i know why, but that's not what I meant, lol....i meant I don't see what they've done to earn a higher seed than those two, or many of the other teams seeded below them.

IMO these brackets are a complete mess, not just Duke getting a higher seed than most think they deserved, but they're what we've got, so I guess we gotta deal with it, lol

**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 03:11 PM

And another thing, Duke is better than Notre Dame.

Notre Dame is 6-3 in their final 9 games, but low and behold, only one of those wins came against a tournament team in Marquette and it was a home game.

You just cant compare the end of the season and say well Duke went 4-7 down the stretch because look at the teams we played and lost to.

Lost to UNC twice, Maryland twice, at Virginia. The other two losses were to FSU and a hot NC St team.

You cant compare us to ND because look at the teams they played this year, they were ****. Their Big East schedule was a total joke. You know it and I know it.

We are better than Notre Dame, dont let wins over teams like Cincy, Depaul, South Florida, St Johns all season long change your mind.

**wsox08** · 03-12-2007, 03:18 PM

ND > Duke this year... I like Duke at 7 or 8 and Louisville at a 4 or 5.

(I know GM will be all over me for this)

**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by wsox08

ND > Duke this year... I like Duke at 7 or 8 and Louisville at a 4 or 5.

(I know GM will be all over me for this)

Well I just dont know how people can say Notre Dame is better than Duke. I just dont know why they would say it.

Duke wins against tournament teams: Boston College twice, Georgetown, Indiana, Georgia Tech, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Davidson.

Dukes games against tournament teams: UNC twice, Maryland twice, Georgia Tech twice, UVA, Virginia Tech, Georgetown, Indiana, Gonzaga, Holy Cross, Davidson, Boston College twice, Marquette.

16 games against tournament teams.

Note Dame wins against tournament teams: Maryland, Louisville, Villanova, Marquette. Wow, a whole four games...

Notre Dame games against tournament teams: Butler, Nova twice, Marquette, G-Town twice, Maryland.

7 games against tournament teams

Yea, Notre Dame is much better than Duke...haha They beat up on a bunch of horrible teams all season long.

**Skinsfan** · 03-12-2007, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by GamblinMan03

And another thing, Duke is better than Notre Dame.

Notre Dame is 6-3 in their final 9 games, but low and behold, only one of those wins came against a tournament team in Marquette and it was a home game.

You just cant compare the end of the season and say well Duke went 4-7 down the stretch because look at the teams we played and lost to.

Lost to UNC twice, Maryland twice, at Virginia. The other two losses were to FSU and a hot NC St team.

You cant compare us to ND because look at the teams they played this year, they were ****. Their Big East schedule was a total joke. You know it and I know it.

We are better than Notre Dame, dont let wins over teams like Cincy, Depaul, South Florida, St Johns all season long change your mind.

Don't be ridiculous.... Depaul is not great, but not a pushover... Look at their other wins this year... Syracuse twice, which is a good team.... Providence... another good team... West Virginia, yet another good team... none of them tourny teams, but all 20 win teams.... In addition, wins over Marquette, Lousiville, Alabama and MARYLAND. So... thats hardly the broad stroke you painted when you chacterized their wins "all season long" as south florida or cincy...

And really, Who has Duke beaten? GTown was a great win, although the entire team had the flu at the time. The other non-conference wins were solid (although not so much as solid now as they were back then... Zaga overrated, Air force fell flat, etc). But in conference? Throw out our argument about which conference is better. For the sake of argument, I will concede that the ACC is the best conference in the nation, but I will hold on to the argument that the Big East is not all that far behind... now... Look at Notre Dame's record against the top 4 of the Big East (Gtown, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame was #4 so we move to #5 Syracuse).. Notre Dame went 3-2 against those Four teams... now look at Duke against the top 4 of their conference (NC, Virginia, Maryland, VaTech)... Duke went 0-6

Basically, your argument is that Notre Dame is overrated because they beat up on the bottom of their conference... but, as it turns out, that same argument fits Duke.

**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 03:42 PM

Just read what I wrote above, it explains it all.

How soon people forget. We beat Air Force and Gonzaga when they were two of the hottest teams in the country. Remember, Gonzaga is coming off a huge win over UNC. Duke beats them in the same exact building a couple weeks later.

Before AF played Duke, they beat Stanford ON THE ROAD by 34. After Duke beat them, they beat Texas Tech at a neutral site by 14, beat Wake Forest by 40, UNLV by 6, at Santa Clara by 30 and so on.

How anyone can sit there and tell me ND is better than Duke, is just beyond me. Look at the information I provided above, NOTRE DAME PLAYED NOBODY ALL YEAR....NOBODY!!!

**BUNK MORELAND** · 03-12-2007, 03:44 PM

But Duke did beat

Davidson and Holy Cross
and they are tourney teams :nuts:

8-8 in your league

SHOULD BE PLAYING in the 8-9 game..

IMO

**Skinsfan** · 03-12-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by GamblinMan03

Just read what I wrote above, it explains it all.

How soon people forget. We beat Air Force and Gonzaga when they were two of the hottest teams in the country. Remember, Gonzaga is coming off a huge win over UNC. Duke beats them in the same exact building a couple weeks later.

Before AF played Duke, they beat Stanford ON THE ROAD by 34. After Duke beat them, they beat Texas Tech at a neutral site by 14, beat Wake Forest by 40, UNLV by 6, at Santa Clara by 30 and so on.

Who cares what the impression was in november/december.... we all know NOW that air force is overrated, as is Gonzaga. And Air Force is a PERFECT PERFECT ******* PERFECT example of how Duke is rewarded for their name. Like you pointed out, look at all those GREAT teams Air Force beat... yet they collapsed down the stretch and missed the tournament.. sounds kind of like Duke a little bit.... They beat a bunch of good/great teams EARLY, but collapsed down the stretch and couldnt beat anyone at the top of their conference. Yet, Duke was never a question for being included in the tourny.

**TheCaymanIslands** · 03-12-2007, 03:57 PM

If ND was playing Duke in the 1st round on a netural site (no advantage to either team), ND would defeat them by at least 5 pts.

**Skinsfan** · 03-12-2007, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by GamblinMan03

How soon people forget. We beat Air Force and Gonzaga when they were two of the hottest teams in the country. Remember, Gonzaga is coming off a huge win over UNC. Duke beats them in the same exact building a couple weeks later.

By the way, you are being VERY VERY inconsistent... basically, your point is that Air Force and Zaga were two of the hottest teams in the country at the time you beat them. It is how they WERE BACK THEN that should be taken into consideration.... It doesn't matter what happened recently to you... those are still GREAT wins....

YET... at the same time you claim that beating Gtown was a great win because of their PRESENT DAY STANDING as a top 10 team, etc.... BUT AT THE TIME DUKE BEAT THEM... they had recently lost to Oregon and been blown out by OLD ******* DOMINION.... They started the season ranked ?#8 and had just fallen out of the top 25.... so, to be consistent, you should no longer consider GTown a quality win, because at the time, they were playing horrible basketball.

**GamblinMan03** · 03-12-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by TheCaymanIslands

If ND was playing Duke in the 1st round on a netural site (no advantage to either team), ND would defeat them by at least 5 pts.

Why, please tell me. After I posted all those facts, I find it funny that a Duke hater would come in here and say that. I gave the facts and backed up my arguement, now give me the facts to back up yours.

We would shut down their perimeter offense all game, they woulldnt have a chance relying on those three pointers all game. That is one thing we do great.

A 3-pt shooting team is the last team that beats us, its a team that is quick, athletic and takes it to the basket. ND is a team that lives and dies by the three, I wish we played them in the tourny.

**Skinsfan** · 03-13-2007, 08:00 AM

Apparently, the feeling about Duke is more widespread than just predictem.com:

West breakdown: Duke's seeding provides early upset

March 11, 2007
By Dennis Dodd
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
Tell Dennis your opinion!

There was a joke circulating over the weekend that Duke had finished so poorly that it might drop all the way to a No. 4 seed.

It was a joke. Any sane observer of college basketball expected Duke to be a No. 8 or No. 9. That the Blue Devils ended a No. 6 seed in the West Region is outrageous.

It lost its last three in a row, seven of its last 11. It was .500 in its league. It's clear to the naked eye this isn't the Duke of old. By old we mean 1996, the last time Duke was seeded lower (No. 8).

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Gerald Henderson is back in the lineup. Put on your goalie masks.

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